Spoilers What happens to Qo'nos in the Season Finale - A Theory

[Nyotarules]

Eh, I dunno. Destroying part of Florida and then never mentioning it again is certainly bad, but we're talking about something on the order of 1000 times more casualties if Qo'noS is destroyed.

True, if the planet is destroyed because they are so desperate to stop a devastating war. A war that is never mentioned again in the TOS era or any era, that plot does not make your eyes ? Its 100 years since the Xindi war and no mention in any era, (ok I'll give that a pass) there is no mention in the TOS era of this war that takes place just 10 years previously.
(Real life WW1 celebrations will take place this year 100 years later, all if not most of the veterans are RIP. There are retcons and then there are things that make you go 'What are these writers smoking'!!!!!!)

 

[Ovation]

True, if the planet is destroyed because they are so desperate to stop a devastating war. A war that is never mentioned again in the TOS era or any era, that plot does not make your eyes ? Its 100 years since the Xindi war and no mention in any era, (ok I'll give that a pass) there is no mention in the TOS era of this war that takes place just 10 years previously.
(Real life WW1 celebrations will take place this year 100 years later, all if not most of the veterans are RIP. There are retcons and then there are things that make you go 'What are these writers smoking'!!!!!!)

Ok. But how many times a day do you (or anyone else) think about, let alone speak of, the First World War, or even a more recent conflict?

I’m an historian, with a professional obligation to not only remember but actively discuss, debate, analyze and teach significant past events. Even I don’t reference major wars on a daily basis (I can go months without talking about any particular significant historical event).

If we lived in the TOS universe 24/7, then no mention at all of a major conflict a decade ago would be quite unusual. But we only ever get very limited glimpses into that universe—exceedingly limited—so not hearing a mention of any particular event is really not so unusual.

 

[DanielPMonut]

Ok. But how many times a day do you (or anyone else) think about, let alone speak of, the First World War, or even a more recent conflict?

I’m an historian, with a professional obligation to not only remember but actively discuss, debate, analyze and teach significant past events. Even I don’t reference major wars on a daily basis (I can go months without talking about any particular significant historical event).

If we lived in the TOS universe 24/7, then no mention at all of a major conflict a decade ago would be quite unusual. But we only ever get very limited glimpses into that universe—exceedingly limited—so not hearing a mention of any particular event is really not so unusual.

And besides, this assumes that nothing we've ever heard on screen is being retconned into a reference to DSC's Klingon War, when the way the war is presented to us actually makes sense of quite a few hanging references that we previously couldn't place. When Kang, Koloth, and Kor discuss things like assaulting Federation starbases in their youth in DS9, for instance, we now have a relatively clear idea of when we can place events like that. Ditto for things like Kirk's experience as a soldier (referenced in TOS "Conscience of the King") and a lot of General Chang's rhetoric in TUC (since T'Kuvma's reforms would be a formative event of his youth, given his age). In fact, one could even stipualte that we've heard references to this war quite a bit in other Trek, we've just never heard this conflict given an explicit name before.

 

[Shinzonfan]

Hatreds and animosities from past transgressions are passed on from one generation to the next. I can still remember my mother telling me about the English forcing Scots off their land and shipping them to Nova Scotia, clearing the Highlands for grouse hunting by English aristocracy. Her explanation wasn't hateful, it was just information she thought I should know. And lets not forget the Balkans, AKA the Tinderbox of Europe. Old animosities die hard, I can't see the Klingons ever making peace with us after we destroy Kronos.

If we destroy Kronos without a reset, then a lot of future Trek moves into the area of being beyond belief.

 

[Lord Garth]

If they have any respect for canon at all, they will not blow up - or even "devastate" Qo'nos. The idea that any race - let alone the Klingons - would ever forgive the Federation for destroying their homeworld and nearly genociding their race is ridiculous. Not to mention as others have said, nothing of this has ever been mentioned in later shows.

I have to agree with this. Star Trek VI -- which takes place less than 40 years later -- wouldn't work at all. Gorkon would be killed on sight for even suggesting they open up peace talks with the Federation.

The Federation would have zero right to preach any of its "morals" to anyone else.

The United States of America was built upon slavery, genocide, and conquering westward. That can never be forgotten and should never be forgotten. But I'd think the writers would want the United Federation of Planets to be better than that.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I hope the planet is Betazed, if that means Troi is erased from the timeline...

I'd prefer they just take out Lwaxana Troi before Deanna is even conceived. Two birds, one stone.

 

[Nyotarules]

Ok. But how many times a day do you (or anyone else) think about, let alone speak of, the First World War, or even a more recent conflict?

I’m an historian, with a professional obligation to not only remember but actively discuss, debate, analyze and teach significant past events. Even I don’t reference major wars on a daily basis (I can go months without talking about any particular significant historical event).

If we lived in the TOS universe 24/7, then no mention at all of a major conflict a decade ago would be quite unusual. But we only ever get very limited glimpses into that universe—exceedingly limited—so not hearing a mention of any particular event is really not so unusual.

I am not in the military, perhaps someone who served can answer this query. Do serving soldiers/officer/flag officers refer to past battles in conversation during a present major conflict? During the last Gulf War did folks ignore that Gulf War I under President Bush Snr existed?

 

[ChristopherPike]

So... if this nonsense about different looking houses is true, is the Klingon homeworld where all the hairy ass sort with the cool looking ships hang out these days?

 

[Jesse1066]

So... if this nonsense about different looking houses is true, is the Klingon homeworld where all the hairy ass sort with the cool looking ships hang out these days?

Nah, they hang out just offscreen and in comics.

 

[Syd Shanshala]

Guys the planet we saw getting vaporized was the spore planet they terraformed

 

[Nerys Myk]

I am not in the military, perhaps someone who served can answer this query. Do serving soldiers/officer/flag officers refer to past battles in conversation during a present major conflict? During the last Gulf War did folks ignore that Gulf War I under President Bush Snr existed?

I'm sure some do and some don't.

 

[F. King Daniel]

What if they find Klingon Augments on Kronos and touch off a full-scale revolution? Hence there being no bumpy Klingons in TOS.

Oh wait I forgot, augments seemingly don't exist in this version of the Trekverse, even though they just spent a story arc referencing "In a Mirror, Darkly" over and over.

 

[Satron]

Ok. But how many times a day do you (or anyone else) think about, let alone speak of, the First World War, or even a more recent conflict?

Now, we've all here talked about it at least this once today.

 

[Tuskin38]

Guys the planet we saw getting vaporized was the spore planet they terraformed

No it wasn't.

That planet wasn't green.

 

[Tomalak]

I wonder if Georgio "sets the charges" for the planet to blow, and the Klingons have to unite to stop it. In the end, one of the Federation crew (Tyler?) ends up sacrificing themselves to stop it from blowing up, saving the planet and the Klingons are impressed by human honour or something less devastating or time travel-y.

Yes, I'm guessing the Emperor's "mapping expedition" is cover for her real plan, which involves the volcano planet turning active, leaving the surface covered in very hot lava. She did say her Qo'nos is a charred wasteland.

Our crew will realise this and work with the Klingons to stop it, leading to an uneasy cease fire.

 

[XCV330]

I still think it ends in Ash assuming the role of Ash-Voq and giving the Klingons a united leader to put an end to hostilities. There has to be someone in charge now, and he's all that's left

 

[Tuskin38]

I still think it ends in Ash assuming the role of Ash-Voq and giving the Klingons a united leader to put an end to hostilities. There has to be someone in charge now, and he's all that's left

Why would they follow him? Provide proof he's technically a Klingon with a human suit?

 

[XCV330]

Why would they follow him? Provide proof he's technically a Klingon with a human suit?

There's someone there that can reverse at least the physical procedure. Only L'Rell, the crew of the Discovery and some admirals know what has happened to Voq. He's still the torchbearer. And if he happens to look like a TOS Klingon after all this is over, even better.

There's no where left for Ash Tyler to go, really.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah but Tyler isn't Voq anymore.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes, I'm guessing the Emperor's "mapping expedition" is cover for her real plan, which involves the volcano planet turning active, leaving the surface covered in very hot lava. She did say her Qo'nos is a charred wasteland.

Our crew will realise this and work with the Klingons to stop it, leading to an uneasy cease fire.

They should call the Enterprise, Spock has a great plan involving cold fusion that could help.