Spoilers What happens to Qo'nos in the Season Finale - A Theory

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Nyarlacthulhu, Feb 8, 2018.

  1. ChristopherPike

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    There would've been Klingons with ridges around during the 5 year mission, we just never saw them onscreen. That's how I rationalise it anyway. I think what made the make-up change acceptable in The Motion Picture, is there was continuity elsewhere. Their starship designs remained the same basic configuration as shown the last time they were seen in "Elaan of Troyus" etc. What Discovery does with them is more radically different and almost organic looking, rather than technological... instead of trying to produce a backward intermediate stage between the D-7 in TOS and say, the Raptors, or those baby Bird of Preys, or any industrial looking ship with added pipework along the neck to the main body from ENT. Klingon tech now seems to look like they're in the belly of some space dwelling lifeform. Everything is spikey and skeletal. Intricately carved out of something that perhaps used to be alive, rather than built. Rather than plundered from other races, as I've always suspected of the Klingons in the Prime Universe.

    The Augment virus wouldn't have afflicted the whole Empire. Indeed I think the Enterprise episodes only deal with Koovart colony... or however it's spelt. Despite this, I do like the idea of Voq/Tyler leading a resistance on the Klingon Homeworld, eventually giving rise to a controlling house full of smooth headed Klingons on the High Council. But on Q'onoS, I still think there should be a race more resembling those throughout TNG/DS9 and already retconned by ENT in "Broken Bow".

    In every interview I've read about the new redesign - and decision to lose the huge mane of hair, so we can imagine the pointy heads and extended ridges were always there underneath - has stated different Klingon houses have different looks. So, it would be nice to show that variety with one or two bearded Klingons... even if those without ridges is out of the question.

    Well, yes, Star Trek Discovery is being a bit selective about which bits of continuity fit in. Lines of dialogue are fine, if they are in passing and don't really have any bearing on the story.
     
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  2. Charlie Kelly

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    I wonder if it's just the upper atmosphere igniting to take out/disrupt any orbital defence platforms and the planet below will be unharmed. Kind of like the sontaran episodes of Doctor Who where the Doctor ignites the poison gas.

     
  3. picardjean-luc

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    I am the Goddess of.....ZAP!! :D:D:D
     
  4. dinzy

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    This is insane. I don't understand why any of you people who think that things need to be mentioned in a show are coming from. Do you not realize that there was less than 100 hours of TOS that covered it's entire timeline. There are 8760 hours in a year plenty of time for these things to be mentioned off screen if they really were their history. How much is the last war in Iraq mentioned on a day to day basis? Or how much is WW1 mentioned? How much of the collective lives of 7 billion earthlings is taken up discussing any single past war on a daily, monthly or yearly basis?
     
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  5. Nyotarules

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    ^The average human being is not part of the armed forces. If there was ever a WW3 you can bet there would be mention of WW2 and WW1 not only by the average civilian but by people in the armed forces. The show is about Starfleet, not the average Federation citizen.
    And if you think its insane to discuss the plot of a tv show then what you doing on here?
     
  6. Ovation

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    His point still stands. 8760 hrs/year x the 27 years (236,520 hours) McCoy references in TUC as his time as CMO on the Enterprise is a conservative estimate of the TOS timeframe (if we count all the adventures onscreen of the TOS crew). If we restrict ourselves to the three years of onscreen adventures from the show, it is a “mere” 26,280 hours. We only get to see 0.3% of the total of the smaller number (it’s 0.04% of the larger number, if 100 hours is the numerator). If no one EVER referred to ANYTHING from a prior (timeline-wise) show it would be completely unremarkable.
     
  7. Nyotarules

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    His point does not stand up, unless Admiral Cornwall is lying and this is no more than a border skirmish, this major devastating war where the Federation is about to lose big time is never mentioned as part of Star Trek history. Its not the first time its happened in the franchise (Xindi war, Cardassian war) perhaps the writers know some viewers will swallow this plot nonsense ...yet again. Its working.
     
  8. Tomalak

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    But the characters in TOS never spend a lot of time chatting about the past, and they don't discuss geopolitics and recent history either. They're too busy solving this week's adventure.

    Similarly the TNG characters never mention there is (or has recently been) a war with the Cardassians, or even that the Cardassians exist, until we meet them.

    It's not inconsistent, we just know they never mentioned them because the writers hadn't invented them yet.
     
  9. NeoStar9

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    I think people forget that the Federation-Cardassian War comes out of nowhere (middle of season 4 of TNG) and suppose to be a conflict that lasted waround 15 years or so. It's only after it's first mentioned do we start getting backstory on it over time and even then it's in bits and pieces in TNG, DS9 and I think Voy (Janeway was suppose to have taken part in her younger days I think).

    It's a series of TV shows. Something isn't really a thing until it is a thing and we move on. I still hold to what many others have said. Even if it isn't mentioned in TOS for obvious reasons (it wasn't thought of back then like so many other things in canon) this war goes a long way to explain many of the attitudes on both sides in TOS and in the movies.

    For those concerned about it not being mentioned. Guess what in future novels, comics, and even live action shows it will be mentioned going forward in the same way the Federation-Cardassian War gets mentioned now.
     
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  10. Ovation

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    It works because it reflects reality. I have been an historian for nearly 30 years (more if you count my first university degree). In those 30 plus years, if someone only saw 0.3% of my life (let alone 0.04%), they could quite easily NEVER hear me refer to anything remotely “historical”. There is no specific reason why any tiny slice of life would reveal any particular thing, especially as they are, from our point of view, randomly accessed.

    If there were specific, explicit examples of characters pointing out things like “the past ten years have been exceedingly peaceful, in both relative and absolute historical terms”—then sure, the current war depicted would be completely contradictory. But, well...no character ever said anything remotely like that. In this case, absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence.
     
  11. DanielPMonut

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    Right! And quite a few things that *have* been said onscreen can now be understood precisely *as* having been references to this war, to varying degrees of obliqueness.