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No joke my friend, problem with those movies? I'm not saying those people existed, but the accuracy of what they are trying to convey is pretty good, especially the Patriot and Last of the Mohichans.

You could get a more accurate historical viewpoint on the Revolution from a third grader writing a book report than you can from 'The Patriot.' It's the 'Pearl Harbor' of Revolutionary War movies, not that there's a lot of them.

In answer to the OP, with 'How to Train Your Dragon' recently in theaters and 'The Hobbit' coming up, I'd like to see some more movies and series revolving around dragons. There was a brief attempt at a surge with 'Reign of Fire' and 'Dragonheart,' but it kind of fizzled out after that. I'd like to see the Pern novels get their due onscreen.

As a spin off to that, I think a cool genre would be shows and movies that pit the forces of magic against the forces of science and technology. You could take a 'Fringe'-like tale of overlapping dimensions, one universe our own, the other also Earth but an Earth where magic and mythological creatures are real and commonplace and their whole modern society is adapted around this magic rather than technology. I'd love to see wizards vs scientists crafting new weapons of war, F-22s vs dragons, armies made up of mythical beasts vs heavily armed soldiers, and so forth. Of course, they wouldn't all have to be on one side or the other, and after a while you would begin to see factions forming that are a hybrid of magic and technology.
 
No joke my friend, problem with those movies? I'm not saying those people existed, but the accuracy of what they are trying to convey is pretty good, especially the Patriot and Last of the Mohichans.

You could get a more accurate historical viewpoint on the Revolution from a third grader writing a book report than you can from 'The Patriot.' It's the 'Pearl Harbor' of Revolutionary War movies, not that there's a lot of them.

In answer to the OP, with 'How to Train Your Dragon' recently in theaters and 'The Hobbit' coming up, I'd like to see some more movies and series revolving around dragons. There was a brief attempt at a surge with 'Reign of Fire' and 'Dragonheart,' but it kind of fizzled out after that. I'd like to see the Pern novels get their due onscreen.

As a spin off to that, I think a cool genre would be shows and movies that pit the forces of magic against the forces of science and technology. You could take a 'Fringe'-like tale of overlapping dimensions, one universe our own, the other also Earth but an Earth where magic and mythological creatures are real and commonplace and their whole modern society is adapted around this magic rather than technology. I'd love to see wizards vs scientists crafting new weapons of war, F-22s vs dragons, armies made up of mythical beasts vs heavily armed soldiers, and so forth. Of course, they wouldn't all have to be on one side or the other, and after a while you would begin to see factions forming that are a hybrid of magic and technology.
How so? The Patriot was based on the Swamp Fox, who was a real person. The argument over going to was in SC. was real. There were a lot of Colonists who didn't want to go to war. I'm from SC. I know, I am a History major and one of my Professors cited that movie as bieng very accurate. The way the British soldiers acted towards Colonists(Corwallace) was accurate. The British at that point were sick of the Colonist, they hated them. The Battle at Cowpens really went down that way. The beach that the "Rebels" hid at was the Swamp Fox's real hide out. I don't see your argument. Another movie I would suggest is "Glory"
 
How so? The Patriot was based on the Swamp Fox, who was a real person. The argument over going to was in SC. was real. There were a lot of Colonists who didn't want to go to war. I'm from SC. I know, I am a History major and one of my Professors cited that movie as bieng very accurate. The way the British soldiers acted towards Colonists(Corwallace) was accurate. The British at that point were sick of the Colonist, they hated them. The Battle at Cowpens really went down that way. The beach that the "Rebels" hid at was the Swamp Fox's real hide out. I don't see your argument. Another movie I would suggest is "Glory"

Like Pearl Harbor did with Ben Affleck's character, who amazingly flew in the Eagle Squadrons, shot down several Japanese planes at Pearl Harbor, and flew in the Doolittle Raid (all based on real people and events, but not with the same person involved in all three); instead of focusing on the exploits of one real historical figure, they made Gibson's Ben Martin a composite of several people in order to create an Übercharacter who is able to depict multiple aspects of the war and exhibit or omit the qualities of the character that they don't feel aid the story. Which is fine from a storytelling standpoint and makes things more entertaining than reality, but in turn shouldn't be held up for its historical accuracy.

You mention Francis Marion "The Swamp Fox," for instance. He was indeed one of the sources for the Ben Martin composite character (along with Daniel Morgan, Andrew Pickens, Thomas Sumter, and others). He was also a slave owner, yet they glossed over that fact in favor of the kid glove treatment of having all the black farmhands and servants be what were called Free Negroes living harmoniously with Marten, because I guess they felt the audience couldn't handle the realistic duality of a man fighting for freedom while owning slaves and comment on the inherent hypocrisy of that. It was a whitewashing of history that was the biggest criticism of the film. Since they were fine with acknowledging his brutality against the Cherokee, I don't know why they shied away from this aspect of his history.

It was Andrew Pickens' South Carolina militia who fought at the Battle of Cowpens, not Marion. In fact, the Battle of Cowpens in the film was itself a composite of Cowpens and the subsequent Battle of Guilford Courthouse. Col. Tarleton led the British detachment at Cowpens that was soundly defeated due to the trap presented by the "retreating" militia, and Cornwallis was not present. It was at Guilford Courthouse that Cornwallis ordered the bayonet charge and the firing of grapeshot into the mass of troops which killed many of his own men along with the Colonials, while indeed breaking their lines. Guildford Courthouse was technically a loss for the Colonials but it was a Pyrrhic victory for Cornwallis which prompted him to halt his pursuit of Nathanael Greene and instead retire to Wilmington, North Carolina and eventually Virginia, which led to him eventually being cut-off and to the surrender at Yorktown.

Speaking of Banastre Tarleton (Tavington in the film), while he indeed had a reputation for his brutality against the enemy, that reputation was not entirely fair. In the Waxhaw Massacre that earned him that reputation for instance (and was a rallying cry for the Southern Colonials similar to The Alamo decades later), he allowed the Colonials under Buford to surrender, but his horse was shot out from under him, which made his Loyalist troops think he had been killed and prompted them to charge and brutally massacre many of the surrendering Colonials with their bayonets and sabers. Tarleton himself wrote about the carnage and vindictiveness of the attack, and clearly considered it shameful even though he had not ordered the charge. There's certainly no indication that he (or anyone else in the Revolution) ever locked an entire town in their church and burned them alive, set fire to dozens of farms solely to punish his enemy (though they often did burn farms for other reasons), or shot non-combatant children and slaves who wouldn't give up information on their owners. He also was not as nearly as old as his character (he was only 26 at the time of the film) not poverty stricken but from a wealthy slave-trading family, not a disgrace to his superiors, not unable to return home and forced to stay in the Americas, and not killed at Cowpens. In fact he returned to Britain a hero, was eventually promoted to full General, and became a baronet and member of Parliament before dying - long after Marion - in 1833.

While the Southern campaign and the Revolution in general was a lot more brutal than is commonly depicted and atrocities were committed on both sides, the savage acts against civilians in the movie seemed more like Emerich playing upon the actions of the SS from his native Germany than anything typical of the British during the Revolution. The film should be commended for including the brutality amongst the two warring enemies, but it took it too far in the other direction in the process and slandered real people like Tarleton and Cornwallis, who was depicted as approving of the brutality against civilians when he became desperate to catch Martin.

I'll give you that the film was aiming to capture the spirit of the Southern theater of war and some of the personalities in it, but to call it largely historically truthful is inaccurate (the same applies to almost all Hollywood historical films). I hope your professor mentioned some of these differences when he recommended the film. It was the composite fictionalized nature of the characters and events which allows for both whitewashing of certain less desirable aspects of the protagonists while playing up the brutality of the antagonists that prompted me to compare it to 'Pearl Harbor,' where similar composite characters were also used. 'The Patriot' is certainly better than 'Pearl Harbor' though, and was an entertaining movie regardless.
 
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As a spin off to that, I think a cool genre would be shows and movies that pit the forces of magic against the forces of science and technology. You could take a 'Fringe'-like tale of overlapping dimensions, one universe our own, the other also Earth but an Earth where magic and mythological creatures are real and commonplace and their whole modern society is adapted around this magic rather than technology. I'd love to see wizards vs scientists crafting new weapons of war, F-22s vs dragons, armies made up of mythical beasts vs heavily armed soldiers, and so forth. Of course, they wouldn't all have to be on one side or the other, and after a while you would begin to see factions forming that are a hybrid of magic and technology.

Piers Anthony's Incarnations of Immortality (or at least the first book) was liscensed for a series or movie by ABC/Touchstone a few years ago but nothing has come of it as of yet. It doesn't involve overlapping dimensions, but it does feature a world where science and magic are intertwined and extra-normal beings co-exist with humans, where the Devil is real and advertises in order to win souls away from an apathetic God. Kind of a cool series of books. Some of the subject matter would be pretty touchy for American TV though.
 
Steampunk. Alternate histories. Stuff of that nature.

Also, some Lovecraftian-style horror that actually feels Lovecraftian.
 
As a spin off to that, I think a cool genre would be shows and movies that pit the forces of magic against the forces of science and technology. You could take a 'Fringe'-like tale of overlapping dimensions, one universe our own, the other also Earth but an Earth where magic and mythological creatures are real and commonplace and their whole modern society is adapted around this magic rather than technology. I'd love to see wizards vs scientists crafting new weapons of war, F-22s vs dragons, armies made up of mythical beasts vs heavily armed soldiers, and so forth. Of course, they wouldn't all have to be on one side or the other, and after a while you would begin to see factions forming that are a hybrid of magic and technology.

Piers Anthony's Incarnations of Immortality (or at least the first book) was liscensed for a series or movie by ABC/Touchstone a few years ago but nothing has come of it as of yet. It doesn't involve overlapping dimensions, but it does feature a world where science and magic are intertwined and extra-normal beings co-exist with humans, where the Devil is real and advertises in order to win souls away from an apathetic God. Kind of a cool series of books. Some of the subject matter would be pretty touchy for American TV though.

Thanks for the recommendation; that sounds interesting. I'll have to check it out. :)
 
Personally, I'd like more Mystery movies in the classic sense of the word. More Sherlock Holmes and the like.

Also we definitely need more space operas.
 
How so? The Patriot was based on the Swamp Fox, who was a real person. The argument over going to was in SC. was real. There were a lot of Colonists who didn't want to go to war. I'm from SC. I know, I am a History major and one of my Professors cited that movie as bieng very accurate. The way the British soldiers acted towards Colonists(Corwallace) was accurate. The British at that point were sick of the Colonist, they hated them. The Battle at Cowpens really went down that way. The beach that the "Rebels" hid at was the Swamp Fox's real hide out. I don't see your argument. Another movie I would suggest is "Glory"

Like Pearl Harbor did with Ben Affleck's character, who amazingly flew in the Eagle Squadrons, shot down several Japanese planes at Pearl Harbor, and flew in the Doolittle Raid (all based on real people and events, but not with the same person involved in all three); instead of focusing on the exploits of one real historical figure, they made Gibson's Ben Martin a composite of several people in order to create an Übercharacter who is able to depict multiple aspects of the war and exhibit or omit the qualities of the character that they don't feel aid the story. Which is fine from a storytelling standpoint and makes things more entertaining than reality, but in turn shouldn't be held up for its historical accuracy.

You mention Francis Marion "The Swamp Fox," for instance. He was indeed one of the sources for the Ben Martin composite character (along with Daniel Morgan, Andrew Pickens, Thomas Sumter, and others). He was also a slave owner, yet they glossed over that fact in favor of the kid glove treatment of having all the black farmhands and servants be what were called Free Negroes living harmoniously with Marten, because I guess they felt the audience couldn't handle the realistic duality of a man fighting for freedom while owning slaves and comment on the inherent hypocrisy of that. It was a whitewashing of history that was the biggest criticism of the film. Since they were fine with acknowledging his brutality against the Cherokee, I don't know why they shied away from this aspect of his history.

It was Andrew Pickens' South Carolina militia who fought at the Battle of Cowpens, not Marion. In fact, the Battle of Cowpens in the film was itself a composite of Cowpens and the subsequent Battle of Guilford Courthouse. Col. Tarleton led the British detachment at Cowpens that was soundly defeated due to the trap presented by the "retreating" militia, and Cornwallis was not present. It was at Guilford Courthouse that Cornwallis ordered the bayonet charge and the firing of grapeshot into the mass of troops which killed many of his own men along with the Colonials, while indeed breaking their lines. Guildford Courthouse was technically a loss for the Colonials but it was a Pyrrhic victory for Cornwallis which prompted him to halt his pursuit of Nathanael Greene and instead retire to Wilmington, North Carolina and eventually Virginia, which led to him eventually being cut-off and to the surrender at Yorktown.

Speaking of Banastre Tarleton (Tavington in the film), while he indeed had a reputation for his brutality against the enemy, that reputation was not entirely fair. In the Waxhaw Massacre that earned him that reputation for instance (and was a rallying cry for the Southern Colonials similar to The Alamo decades later), he allowed the Colonials under Buford to surrender, but his horse was shot out from under him, which made his Loyalist troops think he had been killed and prompted them to charge and brutally massacre many of the surrendering Colonials with their bayonets and sabers. Tarleton himself wrote about the carnage and vindictiveness of the attack, and clearly considered it shameful even though he had not ordered the charge. There's certainly no indication that he (or anyone else in the Revolution) ever locked an entire town in their church and burned them alive, set fire to dozens of farms solely to punish his enemy (though they often did burn farms for other reasons), or shot non-combatant children and slaves who wouldn't give up information on their owners. He also was not as nearly as old as his character (he was only 26 at the time of the film) not poverty stricken but from a wealthy slave-trading family, not a disgrace to his superiors, not unable to return home and forced to stay in the Americas, and not killed at Cowpens. In fact he returned to Britain a hero, was eventually promoted to full General, and became a baronet and member of Parliament before dying - long after Marion - in 1833.

While the Southern campaign and the Revolution in general was a lot more brutal than is commonly depicted and atrocities were committed on both sides, the savage acts against civilians in the movie seemed more like Emerich playing upon the actions of the SS from his native Germany than anything typical of the British during the Revolution. The film should be commended for including the brutality amongst the two warring enemies, but it took it too far in the other direction in the process and slandered real people like Tarleton and Cornwallis, who was depicted as approving of the brutality against civilians when he became desperate to catch Martin.

I'll give you that the film was aiming to capture the spirit of the Southern theater of war and some of the personalities in it, but to call it largely historically truthful is inaccurate (the same applies to almost all Hollywood historical films). I hope your professor mentioned some of these differences when he recommended the film. It was the composite fictionalized nature of the characters and events which allows for both whitewashing of certain less desirable aspects of the protagonists while playing up the brutality of the antagonists that prompted me to compare it to 'Pearl Harbor,' where similar composite characters were also used. 'The Patriot' is certainly better than 'Pearl Harbor' though, and was an entertaining movie regardless.
I think we are basically on the same page. I concede that Hollywood white washes things, to their credit of all the whitewashed movies, the ones I mentioned are closest to accurate. The Patriot compared to say Young Guns II for example is a more accurate Movie. Young Guns II presents a theory that Billy was not killed, but Historians are not areed on that. it is a theory not fact. Historians do agree that the British did used a "scorched earth" policy. You have to except some white washing, I think overall the accuracies out weigh the inaccuracies. Of course the slaves would not be free and Women didn't have a voice. The Patriot is perhaps a bad example, but Glory or Last of the Mohichans would be a better example. What I want to see is more movies like that. There's a lot of good stories in History yet to be told.
 
Well, it could be said that vampires and zombies are part of a larger obsession with the end of the world. We do seem to have found ourselves at one of those "everything is going to kill us" moments in human history. You would think some of that would have died down post Y2K scare, but it's actually increased with mayan prophesy bullshit, global warming, terrorism and the people who use terrorism to win elections (sometimes propagated by people who actually want the Christian 'end of days' to happen), etc. It's as if every ideological brand has a unique way of killing us all. Even Stephen Hawking got into the act recently...
 
I'd like to see a big-budget Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers film create a space opera/space fantasy craze. The Star Wars prequels were so disappointing---I'd like to see space fantasy done right again!
 
I'd like to see a big-budget Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers film create a space opera/space fantasy craze. The Star Wars prequels were so disappointing---I'd like to see space fantasy done right again!


Here's hoping JOHN CARTER OF MARS fills the bill!
 
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