What event made Picard leave Starfleet?

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by Krog, Jun 5, 2019.

  1. Krog

    Krog Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2017
    I have read lots of speculation out there, but to me they are all wrong. They all seem to rotate around how Picard led a rescue flotilla that tried to save Romulans and then that failed and he quitted. I think it HAS to be deeper than that. I think the Federation tried to annex parts of the Empire to "protect" Romulans against Klingons who were trying to invade their space. That hypocrisy led Picard out.

    I think ST Online had some good material on that, which will hopefully be used for the series. A new confrontation between Klingons and Federation seems inevitable given how differently the two powers will look at the disaster.

    Will see, but if writers play it well, this could be very nice.
     
  2. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    fireproof78
    Why?
     
  3. Krog

    Krog Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2017
    Because a failed rescue mission, if with good intentions, is no reason to quit Starfleet. Picard had plenty of failures before, like everyone has
     
    Cutie McWhiskers likes this.
  4. Kor

    Kor Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Location:
    Christopher Pike, future Orion Pirate
    The Federation tried to move a group of people from their planet against their will.
    Oh, wait.

    This has to be something that touched Picard personally in a big way. Maybe his official Starfleet duties directly led to the loss of a lover, or a dear friend, or family that he had started in the last couple decades since we last saw him.

    Kor
     
    Paul Weaver likes this.
  5. Dukhat

    Dukhat Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2007
    Location:
    Maryland, USA
    Maybe it wasn’t just that he failed, but how he failed.
     
    Cutie McWhiskers likes this.
  6. WarpFactorZ

    WarpFactorZ Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2013
    Location:
    Configuring the Ontarian Manifold
    I think the destruction of Romulus does affect him quite deeply for the following reasons:
    1. The failure of the armada to save countless lives is too much for him, both Romulan and Federation (the armada is probably mostly destroyed).
    2. The loss of Spock has deep significance to him, due to their connection (and also Picard's to Sarek).
    3. He lives on Romulus with his family, and they are killed. He couldn't save them.
    It has to be something fairly straightforward. No deep political intrigue like the OP suggests.
     
  7. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2001
    Unless said failed rescue mission involves the destruction of the Enterprise and/or the death of someone from the TNG crew. I could see that having an impact on him. Add on top of that if this failed rescue mission is indeed the destruction of Romulus, then there's the loss of an entire planet and empire on his watch, along with the presumed loss of a Federation legend (Spock). Yeah, this could well lead to him deciding to leave Starfleet.
     
  8. yenny

    yenny Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2005
    I would say, the reason he'd left, is that he'd lost his wife during the rescue mission. and figure that he couldn't rise their kids and serve in Starfleet at the same time.
     
  9. Krog

    Krog Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2017
    The voice-over clearly said that "we let you down". That's more than an accident to me, that's something been done intentionally
     
    danellis likes this.
  10. Kor

    Kor Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2001
    Location:
    Christopher Pike, future Orion Pirate
    In his grief over the loss of his Romulan wife and family, Picard marked his face in the traditional Romulan manner of mourning (he didn't even have to shave his head), and he fully intended to go join Nero's crusade. But Nero disappeared into the black hole before Picard could make the rendezvous, leaving Picard feeling hollow and unfulfilled for years to come.

    Kor
     
    Nyotarules and XCV330 like this.
  11. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2019
    Don't forget the tattoos. He would probably resemble Ben Kingsley in Ender's Game.
     
  12. zar

    zar Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2010
    He left for his kid.
     
  13. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2008
    Location:
    A type 13 planet in its final stage
    Admiral Satie walked in on him masturbating.
     
    Nyotarules likes this.
  14. Armus

    Armus Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2003
    Location:
    Massachusetts, USA
    He left Starfleet because the writers didn't give him anything interesting to do. He missed being an explorer but the writers refused to write about that. So he quit. Picard was the Captain of the flagship and there was a whole galaxy for him to explore. The Picard of TNG wouldn't abandon that.
     
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2019
    Cutie McWhiskers likes this.
  15. C.E. Evans

    C.E. Evans Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2001
    Location:
    Saint Louis, Missouri, USA
    My own theory is that Picard led a rescue mission to Romulus but at the last minute, Starfleet told him and the armada to stand down and he was forced to just sit and watch possibly billions die. It may even have been a case that some high-ranking admiral may have suddenly decided that a devastated Romulan Empire was actually good for the Federation, and Picard may have felt he could no longer stay in Starfleet after that...
     
    DaveyNY likes this.
  16. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Captain Captain

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2019
    More likely, it would've been because of slow bureaucracy needing to do endless scientific studies on the star in-question (like in the TNG episode "Force of Nature") which creates delays that otherwise could've saved millions.

    It's also doubtful that the Romulans themselves would be excited about the idea of allowing a Starfleet armada into the heart of its space unless all parties were completely convinced and completely trusting of one another.
     
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2019
  17. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    fireproof78
    As others have stated it depends on the nature of failure. If he failed in saving lives, or lost crew in the name of the rescue mission then I could see that weighing on him significantly.

    Not everyone processes through things the same way, so context is going to be a huge part of this failure for Picard and his retirement.
     
    Cutie McWhiskers likes this.
  18. serabine

    serabine Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2019
    So basically, Picard and the rescue armada he organized were chomping at the bit to go, but bureaucracy and maybe a big helping of self-interest by the Federation/Starfleet delayed it enough that they weren't even close to being on time and that made him bitter and quit? That might be interesting, especially if Picard feels that certain parts of command might not have been entirely unhappy with the situation from a threat assessment standpoint.
     
  19. Cyrus

    Cyrus Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2002
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    I said this before, but he left because he doesn't like the new Federation president who wants to build a wall around Federation and block any Romulan refugees from coming in. Kurtzman has said the Picard will feel more "real world" (compared to Discovery).
     
    Brainsucker likes this.
  20. rahullak

    rahullak Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2009
    Location:
    India
    If it is the Hobus event that made him leave Starfleet, I'm unsure of the year in which STP will be set. If Hobus happened 15 years ago (2387), then STP starts off in 2402. Didn't we hear it would be set either 2389 or 2399? Maybe I'm missing something.