What "Event Horizon" in "Random Thoughts" means?

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  1. marsh8472

    marsh8472 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I noticed that several clips from the movie "Event Horizon" were seen in Tuvok's mind in episode "Random Thoughts"

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    I wondered what this meant for the star trek universe. Are the events of Event Horizon part of Star Trek Canon? Perhaps then that means humans invented the gravity drive in the 2040's, something superior to warp drive and a couple decades before Zefram Cochrane invented warp drive too. Then the government covered this all up or records of this just got lost from the third world war?
     
  2. Tosk

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    It means Paramount re-used footage they own to save some bux.
     
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  3. somebuddyX

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    On the one hand, I love the idea of mashing sci-fi universes together in a tongue-in-cheek way. But on the other hand, we can't always take reused assets seriously. They reuse the Hood and Enterprise-D footage from Farpoint over and over but we don't say it's the same ship every time. Tuvok once wore the same outfit as his mirror counterpart but it doesn't mean he mugged him and stole his clothes.
     
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  4. Kemaiku

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    They edited the original cut of Event Horizon down, to get it past the censors and into the cinemas at all.

    Kind of like Evil Dead 2013, they only released the Harder cut sometime later, in this case I think 2015/6 they finally did the full uncut EH bluray.

    Strangely though, some of the bits they spliced into Voyager were taken from the cut material. The least gory and therefore passable when only seen for a quick blink bits were put into a primetime family show. :lol:

    I wouldn't recommend the bluray, everything from the DVD and Voyager are tame compared to the full lost footage montage. The prop/makeup department (horrible as the sequence was) really outdid themselves with the amount of effort they put into it.
     
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  5. Markonian

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    Maybe, in-universe, Tuvok watched the movie and it left a lasting impression.
     
  6. Christopher

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    It wouldn't be the first time a Trek episode has repurposed old movie footage. The historical scenes the Guardian of Forever showed in "City on the Edge" were from Paramount movies. The establishing shots of New York may have been as well. And a number of episodes recycled documentary or news footage, e.g. the Air Force Base footage in "Tomorrow is Yesterday," the NASA footage in "Assignment: Earth," and some of the whale footage in The Voyage Home. Oh, and the first half or so of the Enterprise main titles.

    In TAS: "One of Our Planets is Missing," stock footage from Filmation's contemporaneous series Lassie's Rescue Rangers is used in a video montage representing life on Earth, in order to convince the cloud creature that the planets it consumes contain sentient life.

    Come to think of it, I'm surprised TOS didn't use more stock footage from old movies, considering that that was a pretty standard way to save money on TV. The Twilight Zone made heavy use of the spaceship footage from Forbidden Planet. The entirety of The Time Tunnel was built around reusing stock footage from historical epics. Battlestar Galactica used stock footage from Silent Running to represent the fleet's agricultural ships, and Galactica 1980 matted Cylon Raiders and blaster fire onto footage from Earthquake to represent a simulated Cylon attack on Los Angeles. The Incredible Hulk's first season had no fewer than three episodes (a quarter of the season) written around stock footage from Universal movies (Earthquake again, Airport '75, and Spielberg's directorial debut Duel). MacGyver's first season had episodes built around stock footage from The Naked Jungle and The Italian Job.

    So you'd think a budget-conscious show like TOS would've saved some bucks by writing episodes around stock effects footage from old sci-fi movies. Then again, I guess the question is, what color SF movies were there in Paramount's library at the time? When Worlds Collide could perhaps have worked. Some of the spaceship and station footage from Conquest of Space could've worked. Robinson Crusoe on Mars and Crack in the World could possibly have been useful too. Not sure about War of the Worlds, which might've been too recognizably Earth-based. And Barbarella's depictions of space and alien worlds were too stylized. So it's not a very large list of candidates, but it's enough to be of some use. And they could always have used historical-epic footage Time Tunnel-style in parallel-Earth episodes.
     
  7. F. King Daniel

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    I just took it to mean there was some really dark shit in Tuvok's past.

    Although the idea that Event Horizon is part of the Trek universe is cool. Kinda like Lex Luthor being responsible for the Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines via recycled nuclear apocalypse footage in Smallville.
     
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    Well I know they used the Mayberry sets because Kirk and Edith walk past Floyd's Barber Shop

    I thought there was a scene in these 2 that looked alike and from Galactica 1980.

    Also wasn't there a scene in Earthquake and one in The Poseidon Adventure that are identical where a man falls into a glass ceiling from a great height. They even showed that in Quantum Leap where Sam Beckett had leaped into the life of a 1970's stunt-man.
     
  9. Markonian

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    Maybe Tuvok knows about the EE disaster because it was then that D.J. learned about creating a new way to fly. ;)
     
  10. somebuddyX

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    I originally thought from the title it was going to be about Voyager's use of black holes and event horizons and how you can apparently just drive through one to other universes.
     
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  12. Tosk

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    Which shots? They all look familiar as parts of the finished film to me?
     
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    I didn't even notice this, though I only saw EH once on its initial release years ago so might not have recognized it anyway. I also watched so many Scooby Doo cartoons growing up as a kid that I'm probably immune to the visual of reused footage. :lol:
     
  14. Kemaiku

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    I'm not sure, I like my horror movies, but not enough to frame by frame analyse that kind of thing. :lol:

    The article on the harder cut mentioned portions of it being used in several other movies and TV shows where Voyager was mentioned.
     
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    Funny coincidence, Jason Isaacs, a.k.a. Captain Lorca on STAR TREK: DISCOVERY, played the doctor on EVENT HORIZON. Both the movie and this episode came out in 1997, if memory serves me.
     
  16. Kemaiku

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    And the Glenn picked up a monster from another dimension while using a new drive system.
     
  17. F. King Daniel

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    Event Horizon's engine room was defo a hell of a lot cooler than the USS Glenn's.
     
  18. Kemaiku

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    Well yeah, supermaterial oil, spikes everywhere, dramatic indoor lightning, spinny things...
     
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  19. Christopher

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    Incidentally, I happened upon Crack in the World while browsing the DVD shelves at the library, and I remembered having this thought, so I checked out the film to see if it would've had any FX footage that a TOS episode could hypothetically have been built around. There's not much, since a lot of the FX footage is either stock film of eruptions or miniature/composite shots of recognizably 20th-century Earth settings. But there are a few sequences that could be drawn on, like the miniature shots of the gantry that fires a missile into a bore hole to penetrate the Earth's mantle, and a few moments of disaster footage like the explosion of a volcanic island and the convergence of the title crack at the end. There's also a sequence of a bomb being lowered into a volcanic crater, with the characters in protective suits, so it'd be fairly easy to pass them off as different characters. So maybe they could've done a Star Trek episode about some alien world or Earth colony attempting to tap a planet's geothermal power and facing a disaster, or maybe trying to defeat some malevolent force striking at them from within the planet.

    Anyway, it's been ages since I saw the film, and it's actually pretty good as '60s disaster movies go. The plot isn't too ridiculous, the FX are okay, and there's fairly well-done character drama among the three leads.
     
  20. Leviathan

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    Well, in Event Horizon the ship literally returned from Hell. Makes sense...they were probably witness to the events of 'Threshold'.
     
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