What Enterprise is the better design ?
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Re: Who is the better Enterprise?
I will start the final poll later depending on when voting start to slow down or stall.. There have already 105 votes been cast in this poll and 83 in part 2 poll.
Actually i was thinking having ,Both option,, but i was pretty sure majority would pick ,,Both,, option. So i changed my mind and didn't have it.
I will start the final poll later depending on when voting start to slow down or stall.. There have already 105 votes been cast in this poll and 83 in part 2 poll.
Re: Who is the better Enterprise?
Peeps,
I like both, but I have to give a slight edge to the refit 1701 and cast my vote for it, despite my nostalic appreciation for the original. Does anyone here know if the NCC-1701-A was ever canonically refered to as Enterprise-class, BTW? I think that's some kind of fanon that the later version of the Constitution-class vessel was dubbed that.
Red Ranger
Peeps,
I like both, but I have to give a slight edge to the refit 1701 and cast my vote for it, despite my nostalic appreciation for the original. Does anyone here know if the NCC-1701-A was ever canonically refered to as Enterprise-class, BTW? I think that's some kind of fanon that the later version of the Constitution-class vessel was dubbed that.
Red Ranger
Re: Who is the better Enterprise?
The 1701A was dubbed a Constitution-Class vessel in the blueprints that Scotty was looking over when he was sitting alone in the wardroom in TUC. (see: Screencap from TUC )
The 1701A was dubbed a Constitution-Class vessel in the blueprints that Scotty was looking over when he was sitting alone in the wardroom in TUC. (see: Screencap from TUC )
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Re: Who is the better Enterprise?
That contradicts the Enterprise-Class sign for the trainer seen in TWOK, something set up by Lee Cole to acknowledge Andy Probert's work which indicated the refit was Enterprise-class.
Accepting that TUC reference as THE reference is like accepting FLASHBACK's notion that Sulu's science officer was killed before the end of TUC, when he is alive and well in the final scene of that film.
That contradicts the Enterprise-Class sign for the trainer seen in TWOK, something set up by Lee Cole to acknowledge Andy Probert's work which indicated the refit was Enterprise-class.
Accepting that TUC reference as THE reference is like accepting FLASHBACK's notion that Sulu's science officer was killed before the end of TUC, when he is alive and well in the final scene of that film.
Re: Who is the better Enterprise?
Thanks for the info, middy. But trevanian, wasn't that Enterprise-class a simulator and not an actual ship?-- RR
Thanks for the info, middy. But trevanian, wasn't that Enterprise-class a simulator and not an actual ship?-- RR
Re: Who is the better Enterprise?
^Andrew Probert argued that the refit Enterprise was such a completely "new" ship that it was no longer a Connie and should thus be called Enterprise-class. Some of his sketches even included changing the registration from NCC-1701 to NCC-1800, which would've fit with Matt Jeffries original concept of the registration numbers meaning design number and then number constructed -- i.e. 1701 = 17th design, first production model or 1800 = 18th design, prototype.
The sign on the simulator room indicated that it was the simulator that mimicked that particular class, in TWOK that ship being the Big E. The notion of an Enterprise-class was retconned by Michael Okuda to have just always been Constitution-class since the sign was too small to be read closely and there was no on-screen dialog to indicate otherwise.
^Andrew Probert argued that the refit Enterprise was such a completely "new" ship that it was no longer a Connie and should thus be called Enterprise-class. Some of his sketches even included changing the registration from NCC-1701 to NCC-1800, which would've fit with Matt Jeffries original concept of the registration numbers meaning design number and then number constructed -- i.e. 1701 = 17th design, first production model or 1800 = 18th design, prototype.
The sign on the simulator room indicated that it was the simulator that mimicked that particular class, in TWOK that ship being the Big E. The notion of an Enterprise-class was retconned by Michael Okuda to have just always been Constitution-class since the sign was too small to be read closely and there was no on-screen dialog to indicate otherwise.
Re: Who is the better Enterprise?
I don't trust "Flashback" as seen, since the whole episode took place in Tuvok's mind, which was understandably traumatized. Thus, nothing in it (including Valtane's "death") can be taken at face value.
That's what I always assumed, yes. The simulator was made to resemble the Enterprise, therefore the simulator is Enterprise class.
The Enterprise-A is Constitution class, of course. Anyone who's seen ST VI knows it. And if the Ent-A is of that class, then so must the refit 1701 be, since the ships are identical in design and appearance. Even so, we already knew the *original* 1701 was a Connie, and a refit does not change the class.
I don't trust "Flashback" as seen, since the whole episode took place in Tuvok's mind, which was understandably traumatized. Thus, nothing in it (including Valtane's "death") can be taken at face value.
That's what I always assumed, yes. The simulator was made to resemble the Enterprise, therefore the simulator is Enterprise class.
The Enterprise-A is Constitution class, of course. Anyone who's seen ST VI knows it. And if the Ent-A is of that class, then so must the refit 1701 be, since the ships are identical in design and appearance. Even so, we already knew the *original* 1701 was a Connie, and a refit does not change the class.
Re: Who is the better Enterprise?
The refitted Enterprise was a better design than the original design.
The refitted Enterprise was a better design than the original design.
Re: Who is the better Enterprise?
You catch on quick.
You catch on quick.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
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Not at all. It has taken years for me to grudgingly accept the notion that folks really do want you to print the legend rather than accept the truth.
That seems to be true for important issues just as much as it is for stuff like this and klingon blood color on the bbs, and it pains me no end to see it pop up over and over again.
I don't speak emoticon, so the little red gnome guy is lost on me, probably the same as if I threw some latin or Kafka into my reply to you.
Not at all. It has taken years for me to grudgingly accept the notion that folks really do want you to print the legend rather than accept the truth.
That seems to be true for important issues just as much as it is for stuff like this and klingon blood color on the bbs, and it pains me no end to see it pop up over and over again.
I don't speak emoticon, so the little red gnome guy is lost on me, probably the same as if I threw some latin or Kafka into my reply to you.
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Wow, as of 1/15, the refit 1701 is beating the original -- 2 out of 3 prefer it! Amazing.
Wow, as of 1/15, the refit 1701 is beating the original -- 2 out of 3 prefer it! Amazing.
I went with the original... had to, love that ship. I love the refit as well though, probably one of the coolest ships to be on the big screen..next to Imperial Star Destroyers naturally.
The refit by a wide margin. It's the prettiest ship Trek ever did.
monetteman
Lieutenant Junior Grade
Re: Who is the better Enterprise?
The Trek 08 Enterprise is the best.
The Trek 08 Enterprise is the best.
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