What don't you like about Christmas?

[Paradon]

I see nothing wrong with calling it Christmas, though. I don't see why not since that's what it is. How could you possibly be offended by Christmas, which spread so much joy and cheers? I love the atmosphere and how the snow spread so much joy and cheers through the streets. Kids are playing and so many people put Christmas decorations and lighting, and I'm having a cup of hot chocolate. In some places they have Christmas lighting contest.

 

[RoJoHen]

We don't say "Happy Holidays" to those celebrating Hannukah or Kwanza or Ukrainian or Chinese New Year or whatever it may be. The holiday is named. And there's no reason Christmas shouldn't be spoken. People don't say "Happy Holidays" in reference to Easter or Thanksgiving or Valentine's or New Year's or whatever else. It has nothing to do with being polite. It's nothing more than politically correct bullshit that does nothing to salve supposedly offended sensibilities, but does offend many who do observe the holiday. If you want to say "Happy Holidays" then fine, but it shouldn't be insisted that others say it or that they shouldn't say "Merry Christmas."

I wouldn't insist someone greet me with "Merry Christmas," and in kind it shouldn't be insisted that I greet them with a PC greeting.

We don't say "Happy Holidays" to people celebrating Christmas. We say "Happy Holidays" to people in general because it is the holiday season and we don't always know which holiday they're celebrating. And for me, when I say/hear "Happy Holidays," I mean it to include multiple holidays: Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years.

"Happy Holidays" shouldn't be considered a PC substitute. "Happy Holidays" is simply used to celebrate the whole season, regardless of the specific holiday you participate in.

 

[Paradon]

You can say happy holidays, but really it's all about Christmas in this country. I don't think people should get offended just because they say Merry Christmas. I think a lot of people out there just over analyse things too much. I'm being a Thai couldn't careless. We celebrate everything from every culture that is known to exist in Thailand. It's kindda rude in Thailand to get up in people's face and making a big deal out of nothing. that's why we celebrate everything.

 

[sidious618]

We don't say "Happy Holidays" to those celebrating Hannukah or Kwanza or Ukrainian or Chinese New Year or whatever it may be. The holiday is named. And there's no reason Christmas shouldn't be spoken. People don't say "Happy Holidays" in reference to Easter or Thanksgiving or Valentine's or New Year's or whatever else. It has nothing to do with being polite. It's nothing more than politically correct bullshit that does nothing to salve supposedly offended sensibilities, but does offend many who do observe the holiday. If you want to say "Happy Holidays" then fine, but it shouldn't be insisted that others say it or that they shouldn't say "Merry Christmas."

I wouldn't insist someone greet me with "Merry Christmas," and in kind it shouldn't be insisted that I greet them with a PC greeting.

Happy Holidays is not PC but even if it is there's nothing wrong with being PC. Now your eyerolls emoticon that you posted in reply to my post says you don't really have anyway to reply to what I said and what you posted here certainly doesn't invalidate my point.

Telling people you don't know Merry Christmas assumes that they celebrate the holiday and not Hanukkah, Ramadan or the Winter Solstice. It's disrespectful and the fact that Christmas is the one that is said right away implies that there is something "better" about that holiday. It's no different than assuming everyone you meet is straight. People are different and you need to come to terms with that.

Happy Holidays,
sidious618

 

[Tiberius Jim]

I have no problem with saying Happy Holidays in a retail setting. When I answer the phones for the store I office from I have to say the official greeting which includes "Happy Holidays" and I haven't had a problem. I do take issue, however, when we're being told to call it a "Holiday tree" or people are being berated for displaying a nativity scene.

When I did work in retail I always ended up being rather disenchanted with the whole deal. Something about people knocking each other down to grab a deal on a laptop or a TV really does a number on the whole "...and good will towards man." aspect of the holiday.

 

[Paradon]

We don't say "Happy Holidays" to those celebrating Hannukah or Kwanza or Ukrainian or Chinese New Year or whatever it may be. The holiday is named. And there's no reason Christmas shouldn't be spoken. People don't say "Happy Holidays" in reference to Easter or Thanksgiving or Valentine's or New Year's or whatever else. It has nothing to do with being polite. It's nothing more than politically correct bullshit that does nothing to salve supposedly offended sensibilities, but does offend many who do observe the holiday. If you want to say "Happy Holidays" then fine, but it shouldn't be insisted that others say it or that they shouldn't say "Merry Christmas."

I wouldn't insist someone greet me with "Merry Christmas," and in kind it shouldn't be insisted that I greet them with a PC greeting.

Happy Holidays is not PC but even if it is there's nothing wrong with being PC. Now your eyerolls emoticon that you posted in reply to my post says you don't really have anyway to reply to what I said and what you posted here certainly doesn't invalidate my point.

Telling people you don't know Merry Christmas assumes that they celebrate the holiday and not Hanukkah, Ramadan or the Winter Solstice. It's disrespectful and the fact that Christmas is the one that is said right away implies that there is something "better" about that holiday. It's no different than assuming everyone you meet is straight. People are different and you need to come to terms with that.

Happy Holidays,
sidious618

Well, what about calling religeous people stupid...or Christians in particular? And i think most religeons tend think their ways are superior to others...not just Christians. The only religeon that I can think of that does not say it is superior to others is really Buddhism...which say that you can practice any religeon you want as long as it teaches you to be a good person and not kill anyone.

 

[Kestra]

We don't say "Happy Holidays" to those celebrating Hannukah or Kwanza or Ukrainian or Chinese New Year or whatever it may be. The holiday is named. And there's no reason Christmas shouldn't be spoken. People don't say "Happy Holidays" in reference to Easter or Thanksgiving or Valentine's or New Year's or whatever else. It has nothing to do with being polite. It's nothing more than politically correct bullshit that does nothing to salve supposedly offended sensibilities, but does offend many who do observe the holiday. If you want to say "Happy Holidays" then fine, but it shouldn't be insisted that others say it or that they shouldn't say "Merry Christmas."

I wouldn't insist someone greet me with "Merry Christmas," and in kind it shouldn't be insisted that I greet them with a PC greeting.

Happy Holidays is not PC but even if it is there's nothing wrong with being PC. Now your eyerolls emoticon that you posted in reply to my post says you don't really have anyway to reply to what I said and what you posted here certainly doesn't invalidate my point.

Telling people you don't know Merry Christmas assumes that they celebrate the holiday and not Hanukkah, Ramadan or the Winter Solstice. It's disrespectful and the fact that Christmas is the one that is said right away implies that there is something "better" about that holiday. It's no different than assuming everyone you meet is straight. People are different and you need to come to terms with that.

Happy Holidays,
sidious618

Happy Holidays sidious!

 

[sidious618]

Well, what about calling religeous people stupid...or Christians in particular? And i think most religeons tend think their ways are superior to others...not just Christians. The only religeon that I can think of that does not say it is superior to others is really Buddhism...which say that you can practice any religeon you want as long as it teaches you to be a good person and not kill anyone.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. How does this relate at all to my post?

Happy Holidays sidious!

You, too, Kestra! I just put up my "Holiday" tree yesterday. It's an exciting time of year.

 

[RoJoHen]

Well, what about calling religeous people stupid...or Christians in particular? And i think most religeons tend think their ways are superior to others...not just Christians. The only religeon that I can think of that does not say it is superior to others is really Buddhism...which say that you can practice any religeon you want as long as it teaches you to be a good person and not kill anyone.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. How does this relate at all to my post?

It really doesn't.

 

[iguana_tonante]

What don't you like about Christmas?

The legions of morons ranting about some imagined "War on Christmas". They usually begin their rant with some variant of "They won't let me say 'Merry Christmas'" and ends with a "defiant" "Merry Christmas". Whoever "they" are that prohibit the phrase apparently don't do much to enforce their edict.

I'd hesitate to call it a war, but there have long been some people who have something against Christmas and how its celebrated. And it isn't enough for some to merely not observe it themselves, but to try belittling or minimizing it in some way. And, yes, there are some who do try to enforce others from saying "Merry Christmas," for example employers who berate or criticize staff for not using the politically correct phrase of "Happy Holidays." I've actually seen this done. The whole "not wanting to offend" is also a bogus argument since the only ones offended are the ones who dislike the holiday in the first place.

I don't care and can even respect if someone doesn't want to observe Christmas, but why do they have to go out of their way to piss on it for others? A rhetorical question since I don't really expect an answer and this isn't the subject of this thread.

Case in point.

Well, what about calling religeous people stupid...or Christians in particular? And i think most religeons tend think their ways are superior to others...not just Christians. The only religeon that I can think of that does not say it is superior to others is really Buddhism...which say that you can practice any religeon you want as long as it teaches you to be a good person and not kill anyone.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. How does this relate at all to my post?

It really doesn't.

Just Paradon being Paradon, I guess.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

The Brussels sprouts.

 

[RJDiogenes]

We celebrate everything from every culture that is known to exist in Thailand. It's kindda rude in Thailand to get up in people's face and making a big deal out of nothing. that's why we celebrate everything.

Which is the whole point of saying, "Happy Holidays."

 

[horatio83]

We don't say "Happy Holidays" to those celebrating Hannukah or Kwanza or Ukrainian or Chinese New Year or whatever it may be. The holiday is named. And there's no reason Christmas shouldn't be spoken. People don't say "Happy Holidays" in reference to Easter or Thanksgiving or Valentine's or New Year's or whatever else. It has nothing to do with being polite. It's nothing more than politically correct bullshit that does nothing to salve supposedly offended sensibilities, but does offend many who do observe the holiday. If you want to say "Happy Holidays" then fine, but it shouldn't be insisted that others say it or that they shouldn't say "Merry Christmas."

I wouldn't insist someone greet me with "Merry Christmas," and in kind it shouldn't be insisted that I greet them with a PC greeting.

I totally agree.
Hannukah is already over so what's the point of the PCish "Happy Holidays"? I cannot stand the "I am insulted" crowd, be they the 'war on Christmas' folks or the political correct happy holidays folks.
Merry Christmas to everybody.

Back with the Pagans it was all about partying to make the fact that it's cold and dark seem less depressing. Now THAT I can get behind.

I am not a Christian but I take the nativity from the Gospel of Luke anytime over such empty hedonism.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

We don't say "Happy Holidays" to those celebrating Hannukah or Kwanza or Ukrainian or Chinese New Year or whatever it may be. The holiday is named. And there's no reason Christmas shouldn't be spoken. People don't say "Happy Holidays" in reference to Easter or Thanksgiving or Valentine's or New Year's or whatever else. It has nothing to do with being polite. It's nothing more than politically correct bullshit that does nothing to salve supposedly offended sensibilities, but does offend many who do observe the holiday. If you want to say "Happy Holidays" then fine, but it shouldn't be insisted that others say it or that they shouldn't say "Merry Christmas."

I wouldn't insist someone greet me with "Merry Christmas," and in kind it shouldn't be insisted that I greet them with a PC greeting.

I totally agree.
Hannukah is already over so what's the point of the PCish "Happy Holidays"? I cannot stand the "I am insulted" crowd, be they the 'war on Christmas' folks or the political correct happy holidays folks.
Merry Christmas to everybody.

Back with the Pagans it was all about partying to make the fact that it's cold and dark seem less depressing. Now THAT I can get behind.

I am not a Christian but I take the nativity from the Gospel of Luke anytime over such empty hedonism.

Uh, Hanukkah actually starts tomorrow. Perhaps you meant Ramadan?

 

[horatio83]

Might be that I misremembered the date. Doesn't undermine my point though, say "Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah" then. This shows that the decaffeinated "Happy Holidays" does not even serve its official purpose of pissing nobody off, all it achieves is to make language flatter than it already is.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Might be that I misremembered the date. Doesn't undermine my point though, say "Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah" then. This shows that the decaffeinated "Happy Holidays" does not even serve its official purpose of pissing nobody off, all it achieves is to make language flatter than it already is.

And what about the people who celebrate Kwanzaa? Yule? Non-religious people who nevertheless like to give and receive gifts?

"Happy Holidays" is meant to be inclusive, not insulting.

 

[FPAlpha]

About 3 things

- Commercialisation of Christmas.. it's apparently not "true" christmas if you don't spend half your paycheck on gifts and christmas related stuff

- "Be nice because it's Christmas".. WTF? Just because it's a certain time of year then i have to be nice? How about being nice the whole year?

- this seems more a US thing but here in Germany it's still called Christmas and nobody is offended by it.. in fact if you'd wish someone "Happy Holidays" you'd get funny looks

 

[Lindley]

You know what bothers me about Christmas? LISTS. Adults that still make wish lists.

I've been struggling to make a list this year because it is being demanded of me. It was rather difficult, as I tend to buy things when I want them.

I ultimately did manage to put together a small list.

 

[RoJoHen]

Might be that I misremembered the date. Doesn't undermine my point though, say "Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah" then. This shows that the decaffeinated "Happy Holidays" does not even serve its official purpose of pissing nobody off, all it achieves is to make language flatter than it already is.

And what about the people who celebrate Kwanzaa? Yule? Non-religious people who nevertheless like to give and receive gifts?

"Happy Holidays" is meant to be inclusive, not insulting.

Agreed. I don't go around saying "Happy Holidays" when I mean "Merry Christmas." If I say "Happy Holidays," I'm intending to include more than one holiday. If I'm just talking about Christmas, I'll say "Merry Christmas."

 

[horatio83]

And what about the people who celebrate Kwanzaa? Yule? Non-religious people who nevertheless like to give and receive gifts?

"Happy Holidays" is meant to be inclusive, not insulting.

Sure, in the USA it is a slightly different issue as there are folks from many cultures living there. But if you really wanted to be polite and inclusive you'd actually ask a Black guy whether he celebrates Kwanzaa or Christmas or whatever.
I care about real effects of statistical discrimination like people in wheelchairs having to deal with houses without elevators. Wishing one of the few folks who does not celebrate Christmas but another religious event "Merry Christmas" seem minor compared to such real problems of statistical discrimination.

Being a German citizen I naturally would never ever wish anybody a happy Yule. Chances are high that whoever celebrates it is a fascist.