What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a sequel?

[flemm]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

I like the idea of a female antagonist. Will Kirk kill her or will he bone her and then kill her? Either way, it should be a good time at the movies.

Certainly they will bone. However, it might be more interesting if she were more an antagonist or competitor than standard evil villain who would be unceremoniously killed at the end.

For one thing, she might be a good recurring character.

 

[Cakes488]

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I know it's what you think they'll do rather than what you want but I'm a rule breaker and when I saw this I think that would be a lot of fun....a female villain would be great!!

A female lead and love interest for Kirk is guaranteed, but your suggestion of a female antagonist/love interest for Kirk is a very intriguing one.

Having Kirk match wits with a seductive woman who is his equal as a tactician and leader would potentially be a great challenge for the character. A female Khan, in a sense. I can't think of a major precedent in trek, and it would be quite interesting and subversive when compared to the standard Kirk-dominated sausage party/ego war.

This is an idea that should actually be mulled over by the writers, in my view

Yes a female Antagonist...YES. NO to the love interest in any form...NO!
The Enterprise is Kirk's woman...isn't it?? Or has that changed too? LOL standard dominated sausage party line...actually now you've made me quite hungry....LOL LOL

I like the idea of a female antagonist. Will Kirk kill her or will he bone her and then kill her? Either way, it should be a good time at the movies.

Certainly they will bone. However, it might be more interesting if she were more an antagonist or competitor than standard evil villain who would be unceremoniously killed at the end.

For one thing, she might be a good recurring character.

Isn't that that vile snuff movie stuff that you're suggesting???

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

I like the idea of a female antagonist. Will Kirk kill her or will he bone her and then kill her? Either way, it should be a good time at the movies.

Certainly they will bone. However, it might be more interesting if she were more an antagonist or competitor than standard evil villain who would be unceremoniously killed at the end.

For one thing, she might be a good recurring character.

Isn't that that vile snuff movie stuff that you're suggesting???

Having a character (whether lover, adversary or both) die at the end of the story is not what is meant by "snuff movie".

 

[Cakes488]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

Certainly they will bone. However, it might be more interesting if she were more an antagonist or competitor than standard evil villain who would be unceremoniously killed at the end.

For one thing, she might be a good recurring character.

Isn't that that vile snuff movie stuff that you're suggesting???

Having a character (whether lover, adversary or both) die at the end of the story is not what is meant by "snuff movie".

Really! Oh so there's no sex in it then??? Snuff is just killing the person?
You see how innocent I really am....

 

[Jeri]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

Snuff movies are films of someone actually killing someone.

 

[flemm]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

NO to the love interest in any form...NO!
The Enterprise is Kirk's woman...isn't it??

Love interest might not be the appropriate term. Romantic entanglement. Partner in meaningless copulation. Fellow cultivator of the joy of sex. Whatever

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

Isn't that that vile snuff movie stuff that you're suggesting???

Having a character (whether lover, adversary or both) die at the end of the story is not what is meant by "snuff movie".

Really! Oh so there's no sex in it then??? Snuff is just killing the person?
You see how innocent I really am....

There's usually sex involved, but snuff means killing the actor while the camera is rolling. Really vile, compared to whatever you were talking about.

 

[The Comedian]

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I know it's what you think they'll do rather than what you want but I'm a rule breaker and when I saw this I think that would be a lot of fun....a female villain would be great!!

A female lead and love interest for Kirk is guaranteed, but your suggestion of a female antagonist/love interest for Kirk is a very intriguing one.

Having Kirk match wits with a seductive woman who is his equal as a tactician and leader would potentially be a great challenge for the character. A female Khan, in a sense. I can't think of a major precedent in trek, and it would be quite interesting and subversive when compared to the standard Kirk-dominated sausage party/ego war.

This is an idea that should actually be mulled over by the writers, in my view

The Romulan Commander, anyone?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

Go watch Star Trek (2009) then.

This is a discussion about a sequel.

So more about the Vulcans and the Romulans would be wrong in a sequel because?

Perhaps the best thing would be to point out this, the first sentence of the opening post:

Notice, I didn't ask, "What do you think they should do?" but rather what they actually will do.

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It's as valid a conjecture as to what they will do as anything else. They've set up such a plot in the first film.

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

So more about the Vulcans and the Romulans would be wrong in a sequel because?

Perhaps the best thing would be to point out this, the first sentence of the opening post:

Notice, I didn't ask, "What do you think they should do?" but rather what they actually will do.

...

It's as valid a conjecture as to what they will do as anything else. They've set up such a plot in the first film.

I was referring more to the "I'd like [to] see" part, but since this thread seems to be trending that way anyway, perhaps I should just withdraw my pointing.

 

[skep155]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

If you read Trekweb Orci and Kurtzman have just been interviewed about the sequel, some key points:

they don't know if J.J. Abrams is directing the sequel - he's still undecided
They want to finish the sequel script by Christmas
Paramount wants to make the film as soon as possible
They've been reading what the fans have been saying online

That could well mean we won't see Khan since people seemed pretty unaminously against it?

Also:

They say they're debating between "the exploration sci-fi plot where the unknown and nature itself is somehow an adversary or the villain model. That's an active discussion we're having right now. In terms of thinking about more than one movie, we want the movie to be self-contained in a way, but we're discussing the idea of having a couple of threads where if the second movie works, you could pick up into a cohesive whole. No thread more exciting and shocking for me when in "Star Trek III" you realize that Spock grabbed Bones and downloaded his Katra into him. When I saw "Star Trek II" I was like, "What's going on here?" and two years later, you're watching it and you're like "They're geniuses! They're geniuses!" So we're trying to think is there a version of that but again, "Star Trek II" does not rely on that thread, even though it turns out to be a thread. So we're thinking in those terms."

The idea of nature and the unknown as the villain sounds very interesting like in The Motion Picture/The Voyage Home and could deliver us a much more solid sci-fi film. The question is would the new audience they are trying to target be interested in that kind of story? It seems that nowadays if there isn't an over simplified moustache twirling villain then nobody can understand the plot.

I say go for the nature/unknown as the main adversery but throw in a minor villain as a secondary plot.

 

[Jeri]

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So, they want to finish the script by Christmas; moving right along! That's good.

 

[pookha]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

as i commmented in the other thread with trek you can blend in both the unknown and also have a more classic villian.

heck the unknown could affect both the trek crew and the villian.

i do find the concept of a female antagonist sounds interesting.
but for kirk to really care for her as opposed to someone he sees as having to manipulate to help his crew and ship she would have to be a pretty complicated and not all evil.

the women he seemed to really attracted to either had an inner goodness and strength like edith in city on the edge forever or where the seemingly goodness masked the madness in lenore from the conscience of the king.

yeah at first kirk just used her but even he admitted it became more.

 

[indranee]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

I know it's what you think they'll do rather than what you want but I'm a rule breaker and when I saw this I think that would be a lot of fun....a female villain would be great!!

A female lead and love interest for Kirk is guaranteed, but your suggestion of a female antagonist/love interest for Kirk is a very intriguing one.

Having Kirk match wits with a seductive woman who is his equal as a tactician and leader would potentially be a great challenge for the character. A female Khan, in a sense. I can't think of a major precedent in trek, and it would be quite interesting and subversive when compared to the standard Kirk-dominated sausage party/ego war.

This is an idea that should actually be mulled over by the writers, in my view

The Romulan Commander, anyone?

yes, it's amazing that people don't remember her. in fact, if she wasn't Romulan, I'd have loved to have her brought back. I've always wanted to know what exactly happened to her after she was taken POW by Starfleet (anyone read the book Black Fire by Sonni Cooper?). she was a fascinating character but I've had about all I can take of the Romulans in Trek movies.

btw, the Borg Queen was also "female". Trek's had female antagonists in many eps. it's nothing new.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

Perhaps the best thing would be to point out this, the first sentence of the opening post:

It's as valid a conjecture as to what they will do as anything else. They've set up such a plot in the first film.

I was referring more to the "I'd like [to] see" part, but since this thread seems to be trending that way anyway, perhaps I should just withdraw my pointing.

Okay, I think they will follow up on the Vulcan and Romulan threads from the first film. Better?

 

[trampledamage]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

It's as valid a conjecture as to what they will do as anything else. They've set up such a plot in the first film.

I was referring more to the "I'd like [to] see" part, but since this thread seems to be trending that way anyway, perhaps I should just withdraw my pointing.

Okay, I think they will follow up on the Vulcan and Romulan threads from the first film. Better?

And I agree. It probably won't be the main part of the plot, but I think they will give us some sense of how the political landscape has changed because of Nero's actions. Make it the B plot, if you like.

 

[Jayson]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

Why not just make Carol Marcus the villian if they have a female villian. Have her at odd's with Kirk in what should be down with this ,force of nature, threat that is happening. She would proably still be pregant. Basically you have a story were the villian is preagant with your child.

Jason

Jason

 

[Shikarnov]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

Given the drivel they produced the first time, I wouldn't be surprised if the sequel involved the Swinetrek, err I mean Enterprise, getting terrorized by Chopped Liver from the galaxy Zabar.

 

[Jeri]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

I don't remember if someone said this in this thread yet, but I think they're going to do something with the Vulcan katras.

They said they thought it was brilliant that Spock injected his katra into McCoy at the end of TWOK and gave the next movie something to go on.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Re: What do you think Orci, Kurtman, et al will decide to do for a seq

A female lead and love interest for Kirk is guaranteed, but your suggestion of a female antagonist/love interest for Kirk is a very intriguing one.

Time to introduce the captain's new female yeoman, Janice Rand, and play with some jealousy themes if the main alien villainous makes a play for Kirk - and only Rand can see through her plan.

Basically you have a story were the villian is preagant with your child.

Seska tried that trick with Chakotay, but the baby turned out to be half-Kazon, half-Cardassian.