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What do you think of the Terminator movies?
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I just remembered: In that scene, Senator John has a daughter, who addresses Sarah as Grandma*, so I guess that settles it.
* I know the kid calls Sarah Grandma in the novelization. Can't recall if this also happens in the filmed version
* I know the kid calls Sarah Grandma in the novelization. Can't recall if this also happens in the filmed version
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Yes, he does, that is In the part that was cut in the final version.
But Sarah didn't commit any crimes or murders. She was merely on the run from the Terminators, and later broke into the inventor's house - but then allied with them. So, in the happy timeline Skynet was avoided, her name cleared, and she resumed a normal life?
Indeed.
No doubt the abuse Sarah suffered at the mental institution would be a mitigating factor as well.
The bit at the mental institution doesn't do it for me. Why would she try to convince people of her views if she knows that it's useless. You'd think she would get that the only way for her to get out of there is to pretend that she doesn't believe any of it. I mean look at her. Who wouldn't think that she's lost her mind?
That's true, and that's inherently why the more they make movies revolving around resetting or fixing, the more it falls apart and devalues the franchise.
I think I heard the original intent was for it to be the start of a new trilogy? But then Salvation wasn't deemed successful enough to warrant a followup and the idea was scrapped. Otherwise, we probably would have gotten to see more of it. But yeah, I agree with you.
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It makes sense that eliminating Skynet in say 2029 doesn't prevent it from reappearing in say 2071!
As long as people research AI, the danger is there (I mean in the Terminator world, not the real one, of course, we can't be sure that evolving AI will mean our destruction.)
As long as people research AI, the danger is there (I mean in the Terminator world, not the real one, of course, we can't be sure that evolving AI will mean our destruction.)
I think you have got to be the youngest person I have ever come across who hates teenagers with such passion. Did you hate other teens this much when you were one?
The first one is legitimately one of the three or four best skiffy films of all time and easily Cameron's best work.
The second, while not nearly as great of a film as its reputation suggests, was still a groundbreaking action romp and a whole helluva lot of fun.
Everything else since is been a whole heap of 'meh'. Though I would say no film is really quite as bad as people say. There's just not much good there, and SCC has definitely been the height of the franchise since JD.
Also, I persoanlly rank Fiedel's original theme second all-time after Williams's Superman.
The second, while not nearly as great of a film as its reputation suggests, was still a groundbreaking action romp and a whole helluva lot of fun.
Everything else since is been a whole heap of 'meh'. Though I would say no film is really quite as bad as people say. There's just not much good there, and SCC has definitely been the height of the franchise since JD.
Also, I persoanlly rank Fiedel's original theme second all-time after Williams's Superman.
Other than Star Wars 1970s Cambrian explosion that set the stage...the era of the ‘space’ film was 1979-1982.
In 1983 there was a falling away...with ROTJ being anti-climactic.
Terminator and ALIENS? That was a jump start to the 1990s. A completely different feel. Buckaroo Banzai, Back to the Future and Willow were the new Megafauna.
Moonraker——ST II TWOK...the dinosaurs
1983 was the KT moment. Each year in that decade had a whole different feel.
Thanks to Cameron...the 90’s started in 1984.
And we’re still in the 90’s in some respects.
This might be why the Sylvester McCoy Doctor feels more part of the 2005 reboot than what came before, perhaps. Doesn’t the ‘09 Trek reboot feel like a Cameron film?
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IIRC, Cameron does commentary for the deleted ending, either on its own, or as part of the regular commentary track. It wasn't about leaving room for sequels; it was about the tonal whiplash it would have produced, and how it would have distracted from the emotional climax of Uncle Bob's self-sacrifice.
And it wasn't the last time he shot an ending of mind-boggling awfulness, either:
Guaranteed, keeping that ending would have lost the movie its Best Picture win.
... And now, for old time's sake, my Terminator Time Chart, which justifies T3's existence via its "the military originally created Skynet" theory:
I like your timeline, your youtube link doesn't work on my browser says video isn't available
You are the first person I have seen ever to say this..... There are moments when I watch the first movie sometimes and I kind of want this to happen, but if it did happen there would be no need for more movies would there?
Imagine had Cameron actually done that idea, well somewhere in the multiverse there is a version of Terminator where Sarah and Reese is killed and people debate the downer ending till the sun crashes.
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I don't remember when I saw the original the first time, it was probably AFTER Judgment Day to be honest. I saw T2 and was blown away by it, while T1 was light in comparison. T1 grew on me as I aged though, it's fantastic as well. I excitedly went to see T3 in theaters, and left mostly impressed, but frankly it offers little rewatch for me. Salvation was very disliked but I really enjoyed it. Genesys belongs in cinema hell, lock the door, throw away the key. As for Dark Fate, I'll say this, had it been made instead of 4 and 5, I think it would have been far better received. I really enjoyed it, and Linda/Arnold were great in it.
I guess the authorities decided to look the other way in the matters of
1) Attempting to blow up a computer factory (failed)
2) Escape from a hospital with a wanted fugitive and her son whose foster parents died horribly (and leaving a lot of the hospital personnel injured)
3) Shooting up the home of respected software engineer Miles Dyson
4) Recruiting said software engineer into their cult and successfully blowing up said computer factory after having a shootout and injuring almost the entire LAPD
5) Tearassing down an LA freeway, totaling a police helicopter, trashing cars and exchanging fire before crashing a liquid nitrogen truck into a fully staffed steel factory
6) Death of LAPD CHiP Officer Austin
7) Destruction of CyberDyne property (T-800 microprocessor and arm)
Yeah, I'm sure Sarah Connor only got probation
I guess the authorities decided to look the other way in the matters of
1) Attempting to blow up a computer factory (failed)
2) Escape from a hospital with a wanted fugitive and her son whose foster parents died horribly (and leaving a lot of the hospital personnel injured)
3) Shooting up the home of respected software engineer Miles Dyson
4) Recruiting said software engineer into their cult and successfully blowing up said computer factory after having a shootout and injuring almost the entire LAPD
5) Tearassing down an LA freeway, totaling a police helicopter, trashing cars and exchanging fire before crashing a liquid nitrogen truck into a fully staffed steel factory
6) Death of LAPD CHiP Officer Austin
7) Destruction of CyberDyne property (T-800 microprocessor and arm)
Yeah, I'm sure Sarah Connor only got probation
Misdemeanors surely
I've taken a minute and still don't know how to respond to this.
My favourite movie after Star Wars, Kyle and Sara both being perfect in writing, casting and portrayal, the movie surpassing it's B movie DNA by such a huge margin, it being Cameron's best movie.
Nah, words fail me. Wow. Just...wow.
Whereas turning the first Alien movie into a big budget action adventure piece for Aliens produced probably my third favourite movie, with T2 doing the same was diminishing returns. Bigger, louder, flashier and iconic it may have been, but it lacked the claustrophobic relentless nightmare atmosphere of the original. A great movie, but not up to T1 standards.
I guess the authorities decided to look the other way in the matters of
1) Attempting to blow up a computer factory (failed)
2) Escape from a hospital with a wanted fugitive and her son whose foster parents died horribly (and leaving a lot of the hospital personnel injured)
3) Shooting up the home of respected software engineer Miles Dyson
4) Recruiting said software engineer into their cult and successfully blowing up said computer factory after having a shootout and injuring almost the entire LAPD
5) Tearassing down an LA freeway, totaling a police helicopter, trashing cars and exchanging fire before crashing a liquid nitrogen truck into a fully staffed steel factory
6) Death of LAPD CHiP Officer Austin
7) Destruction of CyberDyne property (T-800 microprocessor and arm)
Yeah, I'm sure Sarah Connor only got probation
Austin was murdered by the Terminator. The same one who wrought havoc in the hospital and on the highway. Connor blew up the factory to prevent the emergence of Skynet. At best, you can attest her for vigilantism. However, she was on the run from a killer and defended herself and her brood.
as Louis Walsh would say 'I like them'
The story showed her trying to do that. The issue being that by the time she realized that was the way to go; the psychologists knew it was an act. Remember she basically told them what they wanted to hear for 6 months, and brought up what was promised once she showed she realized what the 'truth' was; and the team of psychologists didn't buy it even after 6 months; and that was part of what drove her to ultimately escape to find John.
I don't buy that. She makes all these demonstrations of rage, she even attacks the psychologist and stabs him with his pen in the knee (ouch that must have hurt!) Either she's an imbecile or there's something definitely wrong with her, IOW she's not a consistent character.
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