What do you think of as "Old Trek"?

[Belz...]

TUC basically hangs its plot on references to 24th century Trek. In a lot of ways STVI is the most displaced TOS movie, because it's the only one where the goal-posts had moved and nearly everybody involved in it's production kind of acknowledged that TOS wasn't the only game in town anymore.

We've talked about how TOS' style and mood clashed quite a bit with TNG's super-nice future, and TUC plays on this clash, as the main crew of TOS deals with a future that's not like what they're used to. A fine last chapter for the original cast.

 

[The Old Mixer]

TUC never felt right to me...it's supposed to be an allegory about the end of the Cold War, but the mood is so gloomy. I don't associate that mood with the Cold War ending, quite the opposite. It was basically the TOS cast saying, "Peace? We don't want peace!" Which is totally against the spirit of TOS....Previously they had been ready to fight if they had to, but would always promote peace as the better alternative.

Old trek was the Trek movies made before TNG. TOS is ancient- made before Neil and Buzz walked on the moon

Now there's an idea...TNG becomes "old Trek", and TOS is now "ancient Trek".

 

[Belz...]

But TOS was always more gung-ho than TNG, so the 'threat from the future' angle is, in my opinion, relevant.

 

[The Old Mixer]

^What threat? Their main enemy was standing down and talking peace.

The TOS crew were fighters, but they weren't warmongers. The mood was completely wrong for the subject matter of the film. What it really felt like was the TOS cast projecting their attitude about being replaced by TNG.

 

[BillJ]

The mood was completely wrong for the subject matter of the film.

I disagree here.

These characters were told for their entire careers (likely their entire lives) that the Klingons were the enemy, seeing them commit atrocities and even losing people they love to them.

I don't know too many people who can flip a switch on their emotions that quickly. Yesterday they were the Federations greatest threat, today we're suppose to gather around a campfire and sing peace songs.

Personally, I thought The Undiscovered Country was a home-run. Great movie with some definite "wtf?" parts. YMMV.

 

[Belz...]

^What threat? Their main enemy was standing down and talking peace.

Threat to what's familiar. Kirk summarizes it quite nicely at the end when he says that some people are afraid of change. That was what I was refering to.

 

[bbjeg]

I agree with only TOS and it's movies as being the "Old Trek", TNG to the future shots in Star Trek (2009) is simply the next generation and Enterprise and Star Trek (2009) are the reboots.

 

[bbailey861]

Old Trek: TOS, TAS, movies I-VI

Berman Trek: TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT

New Trek: Star Trek, Star Trek Into Darkness

I was trying to make up my mind and then you have to throw this in there...... now I can't decide anymore.

 

[BillJ]

The only ones that are "old Trek" to me are Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise. I still revisit the rest on a fairly regular basis.

 

[Belz...]

I was trying to make up my mind and then you have to throw this in there...... now I can't decide anymore.

Join... US !!

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Old Trek: TOS to Enterprise

New Trek: ST09, STiD

 

[kennysmith]

i do think this person it right the best one that started was "TOS" and then,"TNG", "DS9", "VOY".
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Old Trek: TOS, TAS, movies I-VI

Berman Trek: TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT

New Trek: Star Trek, Star Trek Into Darkness

I was trying to make up my mind and then you have to throw this in there...... now I can't decide anymore.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

Ugh...if 1995 - 2005 is "old" than I am old... soooo I consider TOS, TNG, and Star Trek movies that were made pre-mid nineties to be "old Trek".

I was in college when ENT was still airing and that was only a few years ago...so I don't personally consider that to be old in my eyes.

I consider NuTrek to be new-new, DS9/VOY/ENT to be not new-not old (newish old?), TNG/TOS to be more old-Trek.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

Obviously, with the reboot, technically all of Star Trek from 1966-2005 is "Old Trek", but that's 40 years worth of material, and some of it doesn't feel as if it was that long ago.

From your perspective, what do you think of as being "Old Trek"? There's no right or wrong answer.

These days, I think of TOS, the TOS movies, and TNG as "Old Trek". The last two movies are "New Trek".

I think of the series produced after TNG ended as a TV series but before the 2009 reboot as in the middle. The first two seasons of DS9 and the last two seasons of TNG are a gray area where the "Old" overlaps with the "Middle".

This wasn't always the way I looked at it, but as most of TNG has moved passed "20 years ago" territory, and after going to the theater and seeing some of these episodes for the first time in a long time, it's shifted my view.

Has anyone else's perspective changed recently?

You said what I said, but better.

I see it the same way.

 

[Shazam!]

Old Trek is all the stuff before the Abrams' movies. If I want to talk about TOS, I'll just say TOS...

 

[Captain Kathryn]

I mean, of course the Abrams movies are "new". But it's also extremely different and kind of not really canon with all other Trek. I feel like TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT are all in the same timeline and grouped together. The Abrams movies are more like completely new, even though obviously he uses Kirk, Spock, and the rest of the TOS characters.

 

[Halmirdax]

I'd probably say TOS is old trek to me as it started before I did.
Anything after TOS doesn't seem that old, trek ages really well.

 

[Orac]

Old Trek is any episodes with geriatric characters in them or episodes where the heroes are forced to cope with old age e.g. The Deadly Years, Too Short A Season, Unnatural Selection, Star Trek II all of these and more are Old Trek.

ETA: The last episode of Voyager is Old Trek as it features a geriatric Janeway.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

Old Trek is any episodes with geriatric characters in them or episodes where the heroes are forced to cope with old age e.g. The Deadly Years, Too Short A Season, Unnatural Selection, Star Trek II all of these and more are Old Trek.

ETA: The last episode of Voyager is Old Trek as it features a geriatric Janeway.

Interesting way of looking at it!

 

[Lord Garth]

It's what I'm going with from now on.