Agreed 100%.
what do you think about the "split timeline"
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Agreed 100%.
Definitely agreed. As for the people who call you an "Abrams hating dinosaur" simply because you don't think the reboot is the best of all Trek, they're pretty much the opposite side of the coin of those who are personally offended that anyone can like Trek that wasn't made in the 60's. 
The thing is, the split timelines serves the exact same purpose as a full reboot. It's just splitting hairs. Beginning with Star Trek XI, there's a whole new continuity being created that's free to go in any direction it wants (and if you've seen Star Trek XII already, you know they are indeed doing that).
It just always seemed to me a transparent attempt to maintain flimsy ties with the old Trek while simultaneously rebooting it. Though all things considered the NuTrek universe was alternate long before Nero arrived in it. If you're going to reboot it, fine do that. Don't insult everyone's intelligence by trying to smooth over the concept of a new universe by plugging the old universe to keep it's fans happy.
I don't see why that's even remotely a bad thing or whose intelligence is being insulted. Alternate timelines and universes are nothing new in Trek.
Yes, but the logic of the universe is so fundamentally different it makes it a little irksome, to me, to have that physical link of Spock. If it's a clean reboot, they shouldn't be able to ask original-Spock if he's ever met a guy by the same name as the guy they met. They should have to figure it out on their own. (And BTW, that was a HUGE story copout. "Hey future me, this guy we just met, is he evil?" Lame.)
And I do think the recency and size of Star Trek fandom did make it a production necessity to link to the prime universe. It gave just enough of a hook to make it more palletable for fans that the movie is doing its own thing. Whereas if, say, TNG/DS9/Voy/Ent had never happened, they could have just rebooted nobody would have cared.
See, that's the thing. At this point, it's a totally moot issue. It's a done deal. TOS has been rebooted, there's a whole new timeline now where anything can happen now. The fact that there's another timeline somewhere in which TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY continues unchanged shouldn't really matter for folks who wanted a reboot or just prefer to follow the new continuity.
Exactly, and had the movie been a clean reboot, everyone would have just written it off as an alternate timeline anyway. Actually having the characters spelling out they are in an alternate timeline, complete with Nimoy Spock showing up to pander to the claim is taking things too far.
Why is that pandering? In previous stories involving time travel or parallel universes, such things are "spelled out" in the course of the story as well.
The difference being in that the main characters from the main timeline always end up back in their own. This is an alternate timeline that's going out of it's way to maintain a link to the main timeline just for the sake of trying to make people happy. That's textbook pandering.
I don't think so at all, because Spock Prime was integral to the story from the get-go. The only real difference between this and other alternate timeline/universe stories is that we (and Spock Prime) stayed in this one rather than go back to the original one.
Honestly, an alternate take of the Enterprise's or Kirk's first mission or Kirk's first mission on the Enterprise or whatever could have been told just fine without anyone from the Prime Universe showing up just to say "hey it's homies in an alternate timeline."
But it really didn't hurt the way it was done. The majority of people seemed to like it.
It's a matter of opinion. To me it just felt cheap and transparent how they did it. And to face facts... the NuTrek verse is mainly marketed towards the people who weren't hardcore Trek fans while trying to toss some bones to the people who were. The quote in my signature's context was Abrams explaining that fact in an interview. Among the reasons for Nemesis's box office failure was the fact that Trek fans was a shrinking demographic then. Not that they helped themselves with a terrible plot though.
Also alternate universes make for decent episodes, but they're the exception and not rule in a season of Trek. To have the main concept of your movie's plot dependent on that consistently rubs me the wrong way. I liked Into Darkness better than the 09 movie because for the most part it was more free from those elements.
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I think it really does come to just how you personally feel about the subject. I think most don't have any problem with it.
I think it really does come to just how you personally feel about the subject. I think most don't have any problem with it.
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I'm very happy with it. Honestly, IMO, everyone should be happy. Traditional fans get their original timeline, preserved and enshrined, with all the memories thereof, while fans wanting a taste of something different get to enjoy this new, diverging timeline where adventure is around every corner, and no one really knows what might happen. I love both timelines, so for me this is double the fun.
My sentiments exactly. Nothing can please everyone--and no incarnation of Trek does--but I do think it was the split timelines enables both new and old Star Trek fans to have it both ways.
Don't know what you're directing that to, but I'm just saying that not everyone agrees with you or feels the same way about the issue than you do. If more people don't than do, that's simply how it is. The same would be true if it was the reverse.
Oh we've disagreed a few times, and that's the nature of the beast. Wasn't poking at you personally, but you did bring up the majority issue as if it was a point in your favor. I'll admit it's a peeve of mine when people presume to speak for others opinions so sometimes I go on a ranting tangent there.
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