What do you diehard TOS fans think of the new movie?

[USS Mariner]

I'm 43 and had no problem following the story. I thought this was a fun Star Trek film.

I have no problem with that, at least nothing related to age.

 

[Praetor]

I liked "And the Children Shall Lead."

Statistically, I suppose somebody had to.

In that case, feel free to substitute ALTERNATIVE FACTOR or some episode that fails to deliver character moments or requisite level of drama for you.

I liked "And the Children Shall Lead."

I will pray for you.

Thanks, guys.

In case anyone was wondering, "The Alternative Factor" probably would be my all-time TOS clunker. "And the Children Shall Lead" is at least campy enough for me to not be bored by it. "TAF" is, well, dullsville, in every way.

Oh, I enjoyed the "all I've got left is my bones" implied origin for McCoy's nickname. There was never anything so especially interesting or clever in the previous implied origin that we're losing anything by its being replaced.

Since Bones was called Pille (Pill) in the German version, they had to give him another line in the German dub; instead of the 'all I've got left is my bones' we got 'Das war ne echt bittere Pille.' ('That's a really bitter pill.')

Both versions are cute...

Hm, that's interesting. I didn't realize he had a different nickname in the German version. So I guess he said something like 'My wife left me with nothing; that's a really bitter pill' ?

 

[Devon]

It was a big pile of shit.

There's no point in saying more about it, as I've said it all before.

Yes, before you even saw it, big surprise.

As a TOS fan, I loved it.

 

[cooleddie74]

It was a big pile of shit.

There's no point in saying more about it, as I've said it all before.

Yes, before you even saw it, big surprise.

As a TOS fan, I loved it.

I had minor nitpicks with the movie...but a "big pile of shit" is about as far from reality as one can get. But, oh well. Their opinion. It's a free country. People have the constitutional right to be dead, dead wrong.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Of course, that quote strongly implies that the three seasons up to that point fucked the fans up the ass.

That's one valid interpretation.

I suppose the other is that someone felt the fans were getting fucked up the ass by UPN with the cancellation itself and with other aspects of the situation. We'll never know.

 

[ST-One]

I liked "And the Children Shall Lead."

Statistically, I suppose somebody had to.

In that case, feel free to substitute ALTERNATIVE FACTOR or some episode that fails to deliver character moments or requisite level of drama for you.

Thanks, guys.

In case anyone was wondering, "The Alternative Factor" probably would be my all-time TOS clunker. "And the Children Shall Lead" is at least campy enough for me to not be bored by it. "TAF" is, well, dullsville, in every way.

Oh, I enjoyed the "all I've got left is my bones" implied origin for McCoy's nickname. There was never anything so especially interesting or clever in the previous implied origin that we're losing anything by its being replaced.

Since Bones was called Pille (Pill) in the German version, they had to give him another line in the German dub; instead of the 'all I've got left is my bones' we got 'Das war ne echt bittere Pille.' ('That's a really bitter pill.')

Both versions are cute...

Hm, that's interesting. I didn't realize he had a different nickname in the German version. So I guess he said something like 'My wife left me with nothing; that's a really bitter pill' ?

No, actually it's something like: 'Meine Exfrau hat den ganzen verdammten Planeten bei der Scheidung gekriegt. Das war ne echt bittere Pille.'
That whole bit about 'having nothing left but his bones' was replace with the 'bitter pill' bit (sometimes it takes longer to say something in German... Du bist süß is not one of those times though...

 

[Anticitizen]

Why'd they change his nickname for Germany? Does German not have a word for Bones or something?

 

[ST-One]

Of course, that quote strongly implies that the three seasons up to that point fucked the fans up the ass. I mean, the show was bad but it wasn't that bad. (No offense intended to anyone--male or female--who enjoys said activity.)

But yeah, Cotto ENT was pure fanwank.

Actually, Coto's handling of ENT is actually really similar to how I saw this thing. Lots of fanwank and self-references that don't make much sense if you're familiar with it, and they don't contribute or add even superficial depth to the story if you don't know what they are from.

Granted, both this and the last season of ENT did have it's moments, but those were few and far between.

Unlike 'Enterprise's' forth season none of the in-jokes, or self-references were important to the story or plot. And while they didn't contribute to the overall story, they also didn't distract from it.

 

[ST-One]

Why'd they change his nickname for Germany? Does German not have a word for Bones or something?

While Bones sounds good in English, to call a doctor Knochen in German just doesn't sound right.
Also, TOS was viewed and presented as a children's show in the 70s when it was first broadcast in Germany - that's why we never got to see 'Patterns of Force' on German TV, or why all sexual references in 'Amok Time' were removed.
This changed with the movies (even though there isn't a word of Klingon spoken in the German dub for TSFS...)

 

[Praetor]

Wait... TOS was first aired as a kids' show in Germany?

 

[ST-One]

Wait... TOS was first aired as a kids' show in Germany?

Yes. Unfortunately.
The dubbing has a rather flippant tone to it often times.
And there was some editing done to some of the episodes which was only reversed in the 90s.

 

[Praetor]

Wait... TOS was first aired as a kids' show in Germany?

Yes. Unfortunately.
The dubbing has a rather flippant tone to it often times.
And there was some editing done to some of the episodes which was only reversed in the 90s.

Eek! I can only imagine what that must have been like...

 

[Gepard]

Also, TOS was viewed and presented as a children's show in the 70s when it was first broadcast in Germany - that's why we never got to see 'Patterns of Force' on German TV, or why all sexual references in 'Amok Time' were removed.

So what the heck did they make "Amok Time" about?

 

[ST-One]

Also, TOS was viewed and presented as a children's show in the 70s when it was first broadcast in Germany - that's why we never got to see 'Patterns of Force' on German TV, or why all sexual references in 'Amok Time' were removed.

So what the heck did they make "Amok Time" about?

A disease. The episode was called 'Weltraumfieber' ('Space Fever')
It didn't make much sense.

 

[Aerlyn]

Diehard TOS fan here; saw the new movie today and didn't like it. (And hey, this is just my opinion, so if you enjoyed it I'm glad for you.)

The action (either live-action or space battle) is poorly done. The camera is too close to what it's filming, and it moves too much. There are too many extraneous lighting effects, and the editing isn't effective. The Wachowski Bros. are so much better at creating a good action scene because they don't cut unnecessarily, they move the camera with purpose, and because they actually give the action enough space to be appreciated. And I won't even bother discussing a real genius like Orson Welles and his incomparable battle scene in Chimes at Midnight....

Spoiler: various plot points

A larger problem is that TOS is about "strange new worlds" and "new life forms": the wonders of the universe. This movie has none of that. Nimoy's voiceover at the end of the film is totally incongruous with everything that comes before. Related to this point is the horrifying spectacle of Romulus (in the old reality) and Vulcan (in the new reality) being annihilated, but to what end? What was served? What did we learn? It just doesn't sit well with me.

Other quibbles: the engineering set is totally wrong -- it looks like a 20th century processing plant. I felt the score was not as memorable as many of the other film scores, especially TMP. And the Star Wars parallels, as described at the Ex Astris Scientia website, would be hilarious if they weren't true:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/trekxi.htm

Afterwards I watched Kubrick's 2001, which has never been a favourite of mine, and I enjoyed it more than I ever had before. I don't know if that's a coincidence or not....

 

[trevanian]

Afterwards I watched Kubrick's 2001, which has never been a favourite of mine, and I enjoyed it more than I ever had before. I don't know if that's a coincidence or not....

It is probably the equivalent of washing filthy hands very thoroughly to the point where they tingle with cleanliness ... alternately I would say your appreciation for 2001 is your having taken a first step toward a higher plane of existence.

2001 is my go-to for counteracting pretty much every bad space movie (the other extreme is another way to go ... when I had BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS on laserdisc, I'd watch that to heal after having a bad round like EVENT HORIZON at the cinema.)

Kudos for somehow bringing Welles into the thread, and yeah, that is THE battle from movies ... my wife used to love Branaugh's HENRY V until I showed her CHIMES and she realized Kenneth practically restaged the Welles fight, sans fast motion.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

I just watched 2001 last night myself. Saying "excellent movie" would be like saying that Citizen Kane is an excellent movie. I don't always agree with the conventional wisdom but it's spot-on with this one. But then, I rate several Kubrick films--A Clockwork Orange, Dr. Strangelove, The Shining, Paths of Glory, Lolita--as near or outright masterpieces. I'm even fond of Eyes Wide Shut.

Oh, and I love Battle Beyond the Stars, too. It's the best cheesy space opera ever made, one that flirts so recklessly with being a "huge pile of shit" and yet avoids that sad fate that it becomes something sublime. (I kinda feel that way about this move, actually.)

 

[Forbin]

Okay, finally saw it last night.

If it hadn't been called Trek, I'd have enjoyed it as an exciting, throw-away summer popcorn flick.

This doesn't make any sense. Because that film was exactly that.

The story was fine, though hardly ground breaking. Script-wise, it was a good mass-market film.

I agree.



He was indeed very good.



How could he have been?



Most people wouldn't recognise it as such.
I wouldn't have, if I hadn't known it beforehand.



As opposed to that Stardestroyer-Enterprise-crossbreed in your avatar or just in general?
And, just the Enterprise or also the Kelvin? There are a lot of people who like the design of the Kelvin but aren't to hot about the Enterprise.



No, it wasn't.



How, for example?

The editing would even give the MTV generation motion sickness.

As a 28-year-old I guess I'm still part of that generation, and I cannot agree.

Too many flashing lights and 5-frame cuts.

There are a lot of light, that is true.
But the editing is very much within the style of modern movie-making.

Feel better now? Didn't mean to upset you with a differing opinion.

 

[The Laughing Vulcan]

Can't stand Battle Beyond The Stars...

Love Space Raiders

 

[Brutal Strudel]

It just occured to me: To all those who take Star Trek's critical success as gospel: 2001 was a critical failure at the time. So was Blade Runner, but one could fudge that by blaming the voice-over and the tacked on ending.

As much as I enjoyed this movie, all the glowing reviews tell me is that the mainstream still views SF as a bit of joke.