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What do you diehard TOS fans think of the new movie?

I took a group of neighborhood kids to see it a week or two later and this time was prepared for something very different, and was able to enjoy it.

Well, I'm glad that you were eventually able to have a good time with it.

Even the first time I saw it, I was struck by how "right" the initial scenes from Spock's youth seemed. The look, design, acting, casting, music... all just right. They were like live action versions of something from TAS and Fontana. I think that was part of the problem -- they seemed so, so good that I expected something from the rest of the film that was closer to what I wanted. And was badly disappointed as the film wore on and I realized I wasn't going to get it.
 
Oh, I enjoyed the "all I've got left is my bones" implied origin for McCoy's nickname. There was never anything so especially interesting or clever in the previous implied origin that we're losing anything by its being replaced.

Sure there was. It added a historical context and depth.

Just like calling a ship "Enterprise".
 
^ I think it was one of those "fill in a blank that was better left to the imagination" moments that so clearly differentiate the original Star Trek from most of its offspring. You know, like devoting an otherwise vapid ENT episode to why Klingons didn't have ridges in TOS.
 
I'm honestly surprised at how stupid the film is, now having seen it. It's actually one of the worst films I've ever seen, strictly speaking as a movie fan in general. Keep in mind, I think that the Trek films are lame across the board, albeit some less lame than others.

Except for the first ten minutes, the entire film is comprised haphazardly cut scenes with annoying characters, lens flares, some of the cheapest-looking sets I've ever seen, weak fight scenes, and dialogue that flat out states that the motivations and setting of the film doesn't make any goddamn sense, and there is no actual point or theme that they try to convey other than some vague talk about "destiny" that isn't at all supported by the events on screen (though I'll admit, I hate the concept of destiny to begin with, but I can take it if the story does something with it.)

I can't possibly begin to condense my feelings on this mess in a single post, so I'll probably end up posting several chunks over the next few days here, but I'd like to begin by saying that I honestly gave this thing the benefit of the doubt when I went to see it. I threw all of my Trek knowledge and fanship aside, and just went in to see what kind of story they wanted to tell.

...and for the first ten minutes, I believed the hype.

Despite some ugly and honestly generic set design, I loved everything about the Kelvin. The uniforms were cool, the sound effects were both derivative of the original series and also more in step with actual NASA and naval intraship chatter (which the original also had, but not at this level), some of the technology they used was a great step-up from even the stuff presented on Voyager and NEM (like personal body monitors, which have not only been around since Apollo, but the were put on the uniforms in TMP, but became a throwaway concept never to be heard from again), and the characters were really well acted and written, especially the Kirks and (most especially) Robau.

To be absolutely clear, Faran Tahir stole every scene he was in. The entire sequence, I kept thinking over and over, "He is Kirk" (Okay, I broke my own rule, but I honestly couldn't help myself when I saw him!) He exuded confidence, charisma, charm, and authority, and the fact that he was Pakistani wouldn't have bothered me at all if they casted him as Kirk. In fact, it would have been a great step in the Trek tradition of confronting racism and fear by putting a "brown-man" in the captain's chair during a time when half of the nation still tenses up when they see a swarthy person across the street. That, and he is fucking awesome, right up until Nero has a temper tantrum and runs him through.

While not as immediately impressive as Robau, the Kirks were great people, and I could honestly believe that these were the parents of the Kirk we knew. George was smart, dedicated, and charming, and the banter between him and his wife struck me as both badass and something that I'd expect a "Kirk" to do. Excellent stuff.

At this point, I honestly didn't see anything special about Nero or the Narada. The sets looked not only bad but also cheap, and Bana's performance didn't really strike me as anything special. Then again, it was only the opening minutes of the film.

After George Kirk rams the Narada...the entire tone of the film changes from measured and serious into 110 minutes of lame, over-acted, teeth-grating pandering, to both itself and the audience, regardless of whether or not they are Trek aficionados or they think that Picard and Spock commanded Voyager.

I'll have more later. Feel free to take this however you like.
 
After George Kirk rams the Narada...the entire tone of the film changes from measured and serious into 110 minutes of lame, over-acted, teeth-grating pandering, to both itself and the audience, regardless of whether or not they are Trek aficionados or they think that Picard and Spock commanded Voyager.
Wow! You sound kinda like me. :lol:
 
I did like some parts of the rest of the film, but I can count them on my fingers. I honestly wasn't entertained by it at all.
 
Okay, finally saw it last night.

If it hadn't been called Trek, I'd have enjoyed it as an exciting, throw-away summer popcorn flick. The story was fine, though hardly ground breaking. Script-wise, it was a good mass-market film.

Quinto was excellent as Spock.

I liked nothing else about it.
Pine was nothing like Kirk.
The sets were ludicrous (a brewery?!?!)
The ships looked hideous.
The shakeycam was nauseating.
The characters were cartoons of their former selves.
The editing would even give the MTV generation motion sickness.
Too many flashing lights and 5-frame cuts.

So, script: B+, production: D
 
Okay, finally saw it last night.

If it hadn't been called Trek, I'd have enjoyed it as an exciting, throw-away summer popcorn flick. The story was fine, though hardly ground breaking. Script-wise, it was a good film.

:wtf:

Huh, I didn't think you'd take it like that, but good for you.

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Okay, finally saw it last night.

If it hadn't been called Trek, I'd have enjoyed it as an exciting, throw-away summer popcorn flick. The story was fine, though hardly ground breaking. Script-wise, it was a good mass-market film.

Quinto was excellent as Spock.

I liked nothing else about it.
Pine was nothing like Kirk.
The sets were ludicrous (a brewery?!?!)
The ships looked hideous.
The shakeycam was nauseating.
The characters were cartoons of their former selves.
The editing would even give the MTV generation motion sickness.
Too many flashing lights and 5-frame cuts.

So, script: B+, production: D

The production and characterizations wouldn't have bothered me if they did something with it.
 
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Okay, finally saw it last night.

If it hadn't been called Trek, I'd have enjoyed it as an exciting, throw-away summer popcorn flick. The story was fine, though hardly ground breaking. Script-wise, it was a good film.

:wtf:

Huh, I didn't think you'd take it like that, but good for you.

EDIT:
Okay, finally saw it last night.

If it hadn't been called Trek, I'd have enjoyed it as an exciting, throw-away summer popcorn flick. The story was fine, though hardly ground breaking. Script-wise, it was a good mass-market film.

Quinto was excellent as Spock.

I liked nothing else about it.
Pine was nothing like Kirk.
The sets were ludicrous (a brewery?!?!)
The ships looked hideous.
The shakeycam was nauseating.
The characters were cartoons of their former selves.
The editing would even give the MTV generation motion sickness.
Too many flashing lights and 5-frame cuts.

So, script: B+, production: D

The production and characterizations wouldn't have bothered me if they did something with it.

When you consider the rubric which he's using--that of the standard 21st century summer blockbuster--that's really not so out-there.

It's actually rather sad: when I list my favorite SF movies, the titles tend to be the kind of stuff that palys in limitted release, the kind of stuff I have to drive an hour (to Philadelphia) to see. Even The Minority Report wasn't all it could have been. More and more, I find it very easy to stay out of the theatres come summer. Had this movie not been Star Trek, I'd doubtlessly have passed on it as well, as I have on Wolverine and Terminator. In fact, I only saw Iron Man when it was released on DVD.
 
It's actually rather sad: when I list my favorite SF movies, the titles tend to be the kind of stuff that palys in limitted release, the kind of stuff I have to drive an hour (to Philadelphia) to see.

If you're ever near Pittsburgh, try the AMC Loews at the Waterfront. Cheap tickets, a great facility, and great shops and eateries surrounding it.
 
Okay, finally saw it last night.

If it hadn't been called Trek, I'd have enjoyed it as an exciting, throw-away summer popcorn flick.

This doesn't make any sense. Because that film was exactly that.

The story was fine, though hardly ground breaking. Script-wise, it was a good mass-market film.

I agree.

Quinto was excellent as Spock.

He was indeed very good.

I liked nothing else about it.
Pine was nothing like Kirk.

How could he have been?

The sets were ludicrous (a brewery?!?!)

Most people wouldn't recognise it as such.
I wouldn't have, if I hadn't known it beforehand.

The ships looked hideous.

As opposed to that Stardestroyer-Enterprise-crossbreed in your avatar or just in general?
And, just the Enterprise or also the Kelvin? There are a lot of people who like the design of the Kelvin but aren't to hot about the Enterprise.

The shakeycam was nauseating.

No, it wasn't.

The characters were cartoons of their former selves.

How, for example?

The editing would even give the MTV generation motion sickness.

As a 28-year-old I guess I'm still part of that generation, and I cannot agree.

Too many flashing lights and 5-frame cuts.

There are a lot of light, that is true.
But the editing is very much within the style of modern movie-making.
 
It was a big pile of shit.

There's no point in saying more about it, as I've said it all before. But that's it; there's just nothing there but emptiness.
 
You know, like devoting an otherwise vapid ENT episode to why Klingons didn't have ridges in TOS.

Bearing in mind that such an episode eventually happened mainly because so many fans wouldn't leave the @%#$ing question alone. :lol:

That's fair, (and touché, because I was of course one of those fans that wrote his own version of that tale ;)). But it's one thing for that question, or any such question, to be dealt with in fan fiction. Hell, that's one reason Star Trek spawned so much fan fiction. Because its writers had the self discipline to leave dangling such trivial points of arcana.
 
That's fair, (and touché, because I was of course one of those fans that wrote his own version of that tale ;)). But it's one thing for that question, or any such question, to be dealt with in fan fiction. Hell, that's one reason Star Trek spawned so much fan fiction. Because its writers had the self discipline to leave dangling such trivial points of arcana.

Enterprise's fourth season is arguably (and hopefully) as close to fan fiction as we're ever going to see from the studio. As someone rather bluntly put it "the people in charge knew it was cancelled at the end of the year, and that season was a reach-around for the hard-core fans who'd stuck with it."
 
Of course, that quote strongly implies that the three seasons up to that point fucked the fans up the ass. I mean, the show was bad but it wasn't that bad. (No offense intended to anyone--male or female--who enjoys said activity.)

But yeah, Cotto ENT was pure fanwank.
 
The editing would even give the MTV generation motion sickness.

As a 28-year-old I guess I'm still part of that generation, and I cannot agree.

I'm 19, and I thought it was just annoying because, coupled with the unnatural lens flares, it's hard to tell what the hell is going on during those points in the film.

This is a matter of perception, not of ageism.

Too many flashing lights and 5-frame cuts.

There are a lot of light, that is true.
But the editing is very much within the style of modern movie-making.[/QUOTE]

That depends on what kind of film you're making. I've seen plenty of recent films that aren't cut like this, even though that was the least of it's problems.
 
Of course, that quote strongly implies that the three seasons up to that point fucked the fans up the ass. I mean, the show was bad but it wasn't that bad. (No offense intended to anyone--male or female--who enjoys said activity.)

But yeah, Cotto ENT was pure fanwank.

Actually, Coto's handling of ENT is actually really similar to how I saw this thing. Lots of fanwank and self-references that don't make much sense if you're familiar with it, and they don't contribute or add even superficial depth to the story if you don't know what they are from.

Granted, both this and the last season of ENT did have it's moments, but those were few and far between.
 
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