What do you diehard TOS fans think of the new movie?

[Magickthise]

Hi, TOS fans:
Could you please post what you really feel about the new movie?

Please, only TOS fans post.

Don't get me wrong, everybody. I like all the series and I love all you guys out there, but I am reading all kinds of reactions in other posts from people who really like either TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT and some are glad the old series was changed in the movie. TOS fans may not feel this way.

Like I said, I love all you guys, but I am really curious to see what dedicated fans of the Original Series think.
Thanks so much everybody. Love ya.

So, to the true TOS fans only......What did you like or dislike about the new film?

Watched TOS since I was a kid in the early 70s. A TOSser first and foremost.

I can honestly say that Star Trek is the first film of a three part epic, and that everything that went before, including and especially TOS, is just background. The human adventure is finally beginning.

 

[pookha]

watched tos as a kid on nbc.
collected some of the books, had a enterprise model and some of the action figures.
have posted here from time to time.
despite a few shortcomings (very few films reach perfection)
over all i really loved the film.
i understood why they did what they did with creating the parallel universe and since it dosnt wipe out all that came before i dont have a lot of problems with it.

really look we already knew that the mirror universe existed parallel to the prime trek verse.


i do think they need to explore the implications of the big bad event that took place in the film and from some of the comments orci has made i suspect they will.


it is ancedotal but among my friends who also grew up watching first run star trek and had it as their favorite show they also liked the movie.

 

[T'Bonz]

The Rihannsu will settle elsewhere, just as they did thousands of years before.

*What* Rihannsu?

 

[Amaris]

The Rihannsu will settle elsewhere, just as they did thousands of years before.

*What* Rihannsu?

The survivors. Surely you don't think all Romulans lived on Romulus. A vast empire like that stretches far.

J.

 

[Maurice]

The Laughing Vulcan is, like, the anti-Dennis. One cannot let any criticism go past, and the other cannot allow any praise. If they were to meet, would they mate and produce the antichrist, or just mutually annihilate?

If we can force one of them into the corridor while the other is waiting for him, we can put an end to this. But if one comes through at a time of his own choosing and breaks into this universe to find the other...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The corridor? Is that what that was? Kinda dark and stuffy in there.

If you want me to meet the "other" text me at Starbucks. Not goin' back to the corridor.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Rihannsu will settle elsewhere, just as they did thousands of years before.

*What* Rihannsu?

Gesundheit

 

[Winterwind]

I wanted to hate it. I went into the theatre with that very intent. "Cheap altered timeline BS. What a crock!" I thought.

I came out having really enjoyed it. It has its flaws, yes, but on the whole I thought succeeded at being what it was intended to be: An enjoyable movie for a new audience with enough to satisfy most of the more die-hard fans.

 

[Ronald Held]

I do not think I would want a series based on this alternate universe.

 

[VulcanJedi]

Watched TOS first run on NBC in the 60s. I'm pretty much a life-long fan. While I disagree with a few, primarily cosmetic changes, I really enjoyed Trek XI, and can't wait for the next one.

And I'm pretty much a TOS only sort of Trek fan. I lost interest in all the spin-offs pretty early on. As far as I'm concerned, Star Trek is TOS alone, and all the rest has been little more than studio-sanctioned fan-fic.

As far as I'm concerned, Trek XI is TOS.

Right on. I've enjoyed TNG, watched almost every episode; watched the final episode when it first went to air. But, I've always been a TOS fan first. I watched TOS for the first time in the 1980s on Nick at Night, I think 8:00 P.M. it used to be on.

I was blown away--what a COMPELLING show this was for me.

Having seen "Star Trek" I was reminded of my intial EXPLOSIVE enthusiasm (geek systems go go go) I was for TOS.

Sort, of like--"Man, we've been missing this for years!" Basically since Voyage Home.

Abram's Trek reminded me why I liked Trek in the first place. I'm sorry, but after seeing this latest film---even TNG seems kind of off the mark--way off. The problem didn't begin with ENT or Voyager---it started right with Picard and company.

 

[Anticitizen]

4) Khan wants Kirk DEAD; yet as he chases Kirk into the Nebula, he only fires ONE tordepo as a 'warning shot' - which Kirk interprets as such when he says "They just don't want us going in there." Also later, we do see that the Reliant does still hav working phasers. My point? If Khan is so vengeful at that point; and is in weapons range (which is shown by his firing of the torpedo); WHY IN HELL wouldn't he let loose a full fire barage as he was chasing the 1701 toward the Nebula. Ye, some real 'superior intellect' displayed there, eh?

At that point, Khan didn't yet know Kirk was on the Enterprise. He probably wanted to seize her, not destroy her... either to take her as a prize of conquest, or just use her for spare parts to repair the Reliant. He wasn't even going to follow the Enterprise into the nebula until Kirk taunted him over the radio.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

4) Khan wants Kirk DEAD; yet as he chases Kirk into the Nebula, he only fires ONE tordepo as a 'warning shot' - which Kirk interprets as such when he says "They just don't want us going in there." Also later, we do see that the Reliant does still hav working phasers. My point? If Khan is so vengeful at that point; and is in weapons range (which is shown by his firing of the torpedo); WHY IN HELL wouldn't he let loose a full fire barage as he was chasing the 1701 toward the Nebula. Ye, some real 'superior intellect' displayed there, eh?

At that point, Khan didn't yet know Kirk was on the Enterprise.

He's still in weapons range after Kirk's call.

The movie plot turns on Kirk sitting in his chair and doing nothing, for no good reason, in the face of unexplained and suspicious - "damned peculiar" - behavior on the part of another ship's commander despite having it directly pointed out to him that reasonable caution requires the completely harmless and routine act of shielding the Enterprise.

Spock catches the Reliant's commander in a lie concerning Reliant's supposed problems, and Kirk still does nothing.

Why does Kirk do nothing?

Because if he acts reasonably Khan does not have the opportunity to hurt the Enterprise, and the writer needs Khan to damage the Enterprise.

That's it. Period, full stop.

 

[Ward Fowler]

^Agreed. Although how reasonable it is I have no idea. Looking at it as if it were real, his reaction makes no sense to me. Looked at through plot convenience, it makes perfect sense.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

^Agreed. Although how reasonable it is I have no idea. Looking at it as if it were real, his reaction makes no sense to me. Looked at through plot convenience, it makes perfect sense.

We forgive these things because we are enjoying the telling of the story.

If we are not enjoying the telling (or dramatization, etc.), for whatever reason, then flaws will be magnified in our perception.

And that principle explains the attitudes of both the folks who think that Trek XI has a fine story and those who think the story is badly told.

 

[Zeppster]

I don't get the hate for the cameras for the movie. The look for the movie is perfect for the type of movie it is.

 

[Ward Fowler]

^Agreed. Although how reasonable it is I have no idea. Looking at it as if it were real, his reaction makes no sense to me. Looked at through plot convenience, it makes perfect sense.

We forgive these things because we are enjoying the telling of the story.

If we are not enjoying the telling (or dramatization, etc.), for whatever reason, then flaws will be magnified in our perception.

And that principle explains the attitudes of both the folks who think that Trek XI has a fine story and those who think the story is badly told.

Yep. I would only add that someone's enjoyment of the story can be affected by too many plot contrivances. A person is liable to be more forgiving of one or two than they are five or six. If there are too many, anyone's eyes will start rolling. The only variable is personal tolerance.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The only variable is personal tolerance.

Which is, in fact, a tremendous variable.

I watched "Balance Of Terror" today - one of my favorite Trek episodes, somewhere in my top twenty for TOS - with a very observant and much younger person who'd not seen it before. This person was so full of questions this afternoon about the specific dialogue and logic of the story for which there are no good answers other than interior and manufactured "Trek logic" that I was a little exasperated.

Oh, and she called out the husband-to-be as dead-by-the-end on his first appearence in the teaser - by any modern standard that stuff is so cliche and so telegraphed in the episode that I guess it's hard to miss.

By the time we got to the part where everyone turned off the noisemakers and lights on the bridge so as not to alert people on another spaceship somewhere many kilometers off in the vacuum of space as to their whereabouts I knew it was a lost cause. I accepted that I'm predisposed not even to see the incongruities, illogic and silliness of the TOS episodes that I consider good.

And this person wasn't even hostile to the thing - she kind of enjoyed it. When I explained that it was copied from a destroyer-versus-submarine story some of the nonsense in the story immediately fell into place for her. And in any event she said that an alien being named "Nero" made more sense having seen centurions and a guy named "Decius" running around on the bird-of-prey in this one.

 

[Gepard]

We forgive these things because we are enjoying the telling of the story.

If we are not enjoying the telling (or dramatization, etc.), for whatever reason, then flaws will be magnified in our perception.

And that principle explains the attitudes of both the folks who think that Trek XI has a fine story and those who think the story is badly told.

Absolutely Right (TM).

Trek XI is still a mediocre movie, though.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

We forgive these things because we are enjoying the telling of the story.

If we are not enjoying the telling (or dramatization, etc.), for whatever reason, then flaws will be magnified in our perception.

And that principle explains the attitudes of both the folks who think that Trek XI has a fine story and those who think the story is badly told.

Absolutely Right (TM).

Trek XI is still a mediocre movie, though.

It's great, actually...well, okay, it's better than most all of the other Trek movies. I suppose it's possible to accomplish that and still be mediocre, but I'm fond of a number of them anyway.

 

[Gepard]

I suppose it's possible to accomplish that and still be mediocre...

Ah HA! Somehow, my many, many months on this board have borne fruit!