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What do those uniform colors mean, anyway?!

Which would lead to the question, Why is Kirk's yeoman wearing red? Maybe she is pooled from—or a part of—Security?

That's a good point. Rand wore gold in the publicity photos. Maybe they just thought she looked better in red? But then that breaks the system. She is an engineer in TMP, so maybe she was trained as an Engineer. (Of course in TMP she wore gold with red insignia...)

TOS ranks between ENS and CMDR are "naval ranks - full stripe" so ENS lose their one stripe and LT-JG go from one full stripe and one half stripe to a half stripe; LTs drop from 2 full stripes to 1, LT-CMDRs drop from 2 1/2 to 1 1/2, and CMDRs drop from 3 to 2. What doesn't make sense is the TOS CAPT striping, which should following the same pattern be 3 full stripes (down from 4) not 2 1/2.

NB: There is a some precedent for both 3 1/2 stripe "captains" (which logically is what Kirk is during TOS and Pike was at retcon'd into via DSC) in the RW, and for a 1/2 stripe, typically given to either cadets/midshipmen, but occasionally very junior officers (roughly corresponding to US ENS).

If you sort of "re-calibrate" your system from "real navy rank minus one stripe" to "ensign=0 stripes and add 1/2 stripe for each rank," then 2 1/2 stripes for Captain would make sense. Interestingly, the TNG pips do not seem to have the corresponding "3 gold 1 black" pip configuration, which arguably could have been what Riker wore when "field promoted" to captain.

Looking at it from a 1966 perspective, without the manuals to tell us otherwise, I could say that Kirk is a captain (position) with the rank of LTCMDR, Spock wearing only LT stripes having taken a temporary grade reduction so as not to outrank the captain. This would have to apply to Scotty and McCoy later, but their ranks are not spoken in dialogue right away. Kind of a stretch but interesting. If we really wanted to push it, Pike could be a LT in charge of the then-smaller ship, with Number One having taken such a grade reduction.
 
There's no "department head" in the sense of a commissioned officer that has that duty, and chief warrant officers in that community are rare afloat, however most of my research seems to indicate that the minimum manning level for "security chief" is one Chief Petty Officer or Senior Chief (on support vessels and subs), who may be supported by one or more Petty Officers on frigates, destroyers and cruisers, and will have a staff of Petty Officers and rated and unrated Seamen on larger vessels.

I have to correct myself, I have learned that within the last 10 years the organization of nuclear carriers and big amphibs (LHA, LHD) has begun to include a security department, largely of MA rates, with a line officer (LDO, former enlisted) department head. So there you go.

In TOS there wasn't supposed to be that officer/enlisted distinction, at least according to the 1967 writers' guide:

Onscreen, though, there were enough references to non-officer type titles (yeoman third class, technician first class, specialist, chief, engineer grade four), plus Spock's reference to the "captain, officers and crew" of the Enterprise, that it's questionable how closely that part of the writer's guide was followed.

Of course The Making of Star Trek flat-out stated that everyone was an officer, but again, onscreen...

Searching the transcripts on chakoteya.net, it seems that the only time "Ensign" was used in Season 1 was in "Court Martial," to refer to the personnel officer on the Enterprise who testifies, and also to Kirk back when he was assigned to the USS Republic.

An Ensign O'Neil was mentioned in "The Galileo Seven."

Which would lead to the question, Why is Kirk's yeoman wearing red? Maybe she is pooled from—or a part of—Security?

If so, it's unfortunate that Zahra wasn't issued a phaser!

BTW, thank you so much for not using the phrase "begs the question" there!

NB: There is a some precedent for both 3 1/2 stripe "captains" (which logically is what Kirk is during TOS and Pike was at retcon'd into via DSC) in the RW, and for a 1/2 stripe, typically given to either cadets/midshipmen, but occasionally very junior officers (roughly corresponding to US ENS).

Before 1912, US Navy midshipmen (also called "naval cadets" 1882-1902) had to serve two years in the fleet after graduation from the Naval Academy but before being commissioned as ensigns. They wore one "half stripe" (quarter inch).

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A single quarter-inch/6mm stripe was used for Royal Navy warrant officers 1918-1949, and is still the mark of the RAF pilot officer.

What is a 3 1/2 stripe captain in "the real world"?

Some navies use it for what we would call the commander grade.

Kind of a stretch but interesting. If we really wanted to push it, Pike could be a LT in charge of the then-smaller ship, with Number One having taken such a grade reduction.

It seems too convoluted to be likely. Why all these temporary rank reductions? Why not just assign people of the appropriate grades?

Anyway, in the 20th episode ("Court Martial," 2 Feb 1967) Kirk's, Spock's and McCoy's official ranks are stated. Then you get to deal with the discrepancy of the ranks and the stripes!
 
What is a 3 1/2 stripe captain in "the real world"?

A rank, usually though not translated to "X Captain" designated by a total of four stripes, one of which is narrower than the other.

Danish Army Kommandørkaptajn, Finnish Navy Komentaja, Kreigsmarine Fregatten-kapitän, Hellenic Air Force Antisminarchos and Hellenic Navy Antiploiarchos are the ones I can find that are in use or were during the approximate period TOS was made.

Similarly, the French also have more than one Captain rank, designated by either four narrow gold stripes, five alternating narrow gold or silver stripes or five gold stripes and the Russian Navy designate either three or four medium stripes (3rd and 2nd class) or one broad stripe (1st class, similar to and the same stripe as a Commonwealth Commodore).

And by Menagerie, we already have "Fleet Captain Pike" which logically would take the three stripe rank

True, and I do headcanon FCAPT as a seperate rank for that reason (and headcanon that as Picard's rank from the 2360s to around 2380).

However, canon is ambiguous on this point, and many argue strongly against it.
 
TOS ranks between ENS and CMDR are "naval ranks - full stripe" so ENS lose their one stripe and LT-JG go from one full stripe and one half stripe to a half stripe; LTs drop from 2 full stripes to 1, LT-CMDRs drop from 2 1/2 to 1 1/2, and CMDRs drop from 3 to 2. What doesn't make sense is the TOS CAPT striping, which should following the same pattern be 3 full stripes (down from 4) not 2 1/2.

NB: There is a some precedent for both 3 1/2 stripe "captains" (which logically is what Kirk is during TOS and Pike was at retcon'd into via DSC) in the RW, and for a 1/2 stripe, typically given to either cadets/midshipmen, but occasionally very junior officers (roughly corresponding to US ENS).

I think that you wrote your first sentence poorly. To be clear it should have been: "TOS rank stripes between ENS and CMDR are "naval rank stripes minus one full stripe" so ENS lose their one stripe and LT-JG go from one full stripe and one half stripe to a half stripe; LTs drop from 2 full stripes to 1, LT-CMDRs drop from 2 1/2 to 1 1/2, and CMDRs drop from 3 to 2."
 
I think that you wrote your first sentence poorly. To be clear it should have been: "TOS rank stripes between ENS and CMDR are "naval rank stripes minus one full stripe" so ENS lose their one stripe and LT-JG go from one full stripe and one half stripe to a half stripe; LTs drop from 2 full stripes to 1, LT-CMDRs drop from 2 1/2 to 1 1/2, and CMDRs drop from 3 to 2."

It's clearer the way you wrote it, yes.
 
^1968's The Making of Star Trek was pretty clear: "Command," "Science" and "Engineering and Ship's Services." But I personally didn't have access to that book till I was a little older.

Ah, thanks - I didn't remember that. I got the Concordance before I got TMOST and I think the former made some really lasting impressions on me that the latter, while fantastic, didn't affect.
 
I re-watched "When the Bough Breaks" from TNG and Picard called Beverly as "staff officer," but part of what he said was just made up to impress an alien, so it might not be accurate. It does mean that "staff officer" in reference to a blueshirt did happen at least once, albeit during early TNG.
 
I don't understand what you're trying to convey with/through your strikethrough text but the primary subtractive colors are yellow, cyan, and magenta and the primary additive colors are red, blue, and green. I hypothesize that TOS was going after this latter scheme.

And I wouldn't say it's overemphasized either. Color TV was new and Trek embraced it fully, not to mentionEngineering staff wore either red or blue, especially in season 1.

Even Kirk's "yellow" was green, rendered yellow by studio lighting.

Red for security is probably not the best decision, because such personnel you'd want camouflaged and not visible in prominence in many situations. Some sure, just for everyone to notice in a diplomatic meeting "Hey, it's Fred the Security Dude right there, so bee-have!", but otherwise standing out like a bullseye in neon-80s hues isn't probably the best thing...
 
And I wouldn't say it's overemphasized either. Color TV was new and Trek embraced it fully, not to mentionEngineering staff wore either red or blue, especially in season 1.

Even Kirk's "yellow" was green, rendered yellow by studio lighting.

Red for security is probably not the best decision, because such personnel you'd want camouflaged and not visible in prominence in many situations. Some sure, just for everyone to notice in a diplomatic meeting "Hey, it's Fred the Security Dude right there, so bee-have!", but otherwise standing out like a bullseye in neon-80s hues isn't probably the best thing...

If security is mostly shipboard, color wouldn't mean much. On the surface, some kind of shifting camouflage to match the environment would have been nice -- something they could have done with TAS, but not really with TOS.

Great avatar, by the way!
 
On base or on ship duty would basically be the equivalent of an MP/SP armband and helmet. In the field, well the uniforms are very poor all around for land based work. There's a reason why camouflage fatigues were utilized even in the US Navy. Camouflage makes sense based upon assignment. TOS uniforms, as much as I love them, don't. Heck, I recall a book where Kirk and Spock are caught by Romulans because of the flash of Kirk's gold uniform or rank braid, one of the two.
 
It was yellow (GOLD!) on location, too.

We've had threads on this. All the evidence incl eyewitnesses incl Theiss say it was apple- or avocado green.

Threads and comments and pics and swatches and testimony by dye experts.

It was a greenish-yellow chartreuse in real life.

I've seen a season three tunic in a museum on tour. It is not gold. It is avocado green with a yellow. Green-chartreuse in other words. It was green on set. It was green on location. It photographed green, yellow, mustard, brown and buff because of the weirdo properties of velour, studio lighting and film stock. All of which can vary, which is why the color varies. As in my avatar. That's brown by any standard. But it was olive green avocado chartreuse to the human eye under most lighting conditions in person.

It just was.
 
The research I did a while back (a Google search) gave me the impression that the costumes started off velour for the first two seasons and switched to nylon for the third season. The velour tunics were gold to the human eye and also photographed gold, but the nylon had to be dyed green to look the same on film. I hope Google hasn't been lying to me.
 
The research I did a while back (a Google search) gave me the impression that the costumes started off velour for the first two seasons and switched to nylon for the third season. The velour tunics were gold to the human eye and also photographed gold, but the nylon had to be dyed green to look the same on film. I hope Google hasn't been lying to me.

S3 tunics looked a lot better than the velour shirts. They held their shape and gave Starfleet a more sleek, put-together appearance.

I addressed the "green to yellow" problem here:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/what-do-those-uniform-colors-mean-anyway.309921/page-2#post-13976021
 
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Hey, your information came from the same site mine did.

This is the page I read http://www.startrekpropauthority.com/2009/10/star-trek-tos-1st-season-command-tunic.html, and it features a few pictures of the velour and nylon fabric side by side, like this close up:
Star_Trek_1-01_05b.jpg

(I didn't hotlink it).

What I could really use is a photo of the season 1 and season 3 tunics together in the same shot. Multiple photos in fact. Under different lighting conditions. On different types of film.
 
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