I think my problem with the bridge is that it is over lit and too large. Like a lot of things in the show, it feels so close to being great but there’s just something that throws it completely off kilter.
What do older fans think?
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I think my problem with the bridge is that it is over lit and too large. Like a lot of things in the show, it feels so close to being great but there’s just something that throws it completely off kilter.
It's missing carpet.
First of all, welcome to the new member. Always enjoy seeing different perspectives.
Most of what I came to say was stated already and better:
Most of what I came to say was stated already and better:
Indeed. The pushback against the Klingons is odd, to say the least. Especially given the variety we have seen in make up design over the past several decades.
Same here.
That is exactly my feel as well. The Constitution class stand out as a "very special" type of ship and I think it fits the world just fine.
I'm a little younger than you (started watching in syndication around 72 or 73) and have much the same position. The Klingons going from Space Mongols in gold lamé to feudal Japanese Space Viking berserkers is more of a change than Discovery's new makeup.
I'm not sure they would have gone that route even if Michelle Yeoh had told the producers she was willing to sign up for the full series (my understanding is that originally she wouldn't commit to this). Part of "making it different" that the production seemed to decide upon early was that the show would follow more junior officers than previous Treks. However, I think Trek's format really isn't suited to such, since you want the main characters to drive the action, so we're kind of on the way to having everyone be the senior officer anyway.
I think it's great - I watched TNG the first time around but now find it largely very slow and stagey and far less engaging that either Discovery or Picard. I think TOS holds up better than TNG in many ways and I can still watch that.
I started my Trek journey with TNG back in the early 90s, as it was a show my Mum started watching (herself being a first generation Trekkie). I was hooked, and never looked back. I went back and watched TOS and the original movies, I kept up with DS9 (which would become my favourite Trek so far), and I watched VOY to completion. I think there are still several episodes of ENT I haven't seen, because frankly, I didn't warm to it, much as I felt VOY grew stale and repetitive toward the end, and ENT was merely a continuation of the same, worn-out formula.
DSC is great. It's different to its predecessors and that's absolutely fine. Star Trek needed to change and to evolve, and DSC has done exactly that.
DSC is great. It's different to its predecessors and that's absolutely fine. Star Trek needed to change and to evolve, and DSC has done exactly that.
I support it because I like Star Trek, but I don't enjoy it the way I enjoyed DS9 & TNG.
90's?
Older fans?
Fuck.
Older fans?
Fuck.
I certainly feel old, if that counts.
Old lady here I watched TOS reruns in the 1970's. I am watching all the tv shows and movies in universe date order and so far TNG is a drag to watch (made it to season7). I am a DS9 fan, since my perception humans will always be humans no matter how advanced the tech, the target of their ire just changes. DISC had a good start, how the first and second season ended, well the less said the better but I am looking forward to season 3. I give DISC 7.9999 just for Jason Isaacs and Anton Mount.
As for design changes I do not expect a show produced in 2017-18 to have 1960's production design
As for design changes I do not expect a show produced in 2017-18 to have 1960's production design
I think you can do a show told from the perspective of a more junior officer but to do I think it's important to remove them from being a bridge officer. Once you give them bridge duties it sort of forces them to bring a lot of action to the bridge setting which we have seen plenty of over the years. Make her a security officer who works in the photon torpedo room during the times the ship is in action and is basically a M.A.C.O who is part of a team that goes out on special away missions. Sort of like on Stargate were you had SG1 was were all the action was but you still had General Hammond in charge of the base.
Jason
I too have been a fan since the ‘90s. I introduced my partner to Trek in the last few years.
I’d have Discovery’s first two seasons ahead of the equivalent point of any other Trek series other than TOS. My partner thinks it is better than any other Trek series other than Picard (which she prefers) by some margin.
I couldn’t care less about the visual reboot. I think the continuity issues are overblown to a degree; if anything, I’d prefer they didn’t try to come up with clumsy explanations to make things fit.
I’d have Discovery’s first two seasons ahead of the equivalent point of any other Trek series other than TOS. My partner thinks it is better than any other Trek series other than Picard (which she prefers) by some margin.
I couldn’t care less about the visual reboot. I think the continuity issues are overblown to a degree; if anything, I’d prefer they didn’t try to come up with clumsy explanations to make things fit.
I'm from the UK, where TNG didn't air until 1990. I was 8 at the time, and watched that from the beginning. However, I had seen repeats of many episodes of TOS and the films 2-5 before that (most of my family were already fans), so I kind of grew up on both of those generations of trek at the same time. Despite initial reservations of TNG, I came to like it more than TOS, same happened for DS9 (which became my favorite).
I like Disco. I'm seem to be in a minority of those on the board who like it and preferred the first season to the second. I'm looking forward to more, but I have to admit, I'm not as excited about series 3 as I am for more Picard, and some of the other series announced.
I also seem to be in another minority of looking forward to the Section 31 show more than Disco, and more than the prospect of a potential Pike series that everyone seems to want.
I like Disco. I'm seem to be in a minority of those on the board who like it and preferred the first season to the second. I'm looking forward to more, but I have to admit, I'm not as excited about series 3 as I am for more Picard, and some of the other series announced.
I also seem to be in another minority of looking forward to the Section 31 show more than Disco, and more than the prospect of a potential Pike series that everyone seems to want.
I have watched Star Trek since I was 2 1/2 in 1972: my first memory of watching TV on a small B&W, memorable because I could not be unglued to come down for dinner with my grandmother. I don't think there is anything particularly special about being a fan for so long other than I remember what it what like when every subsequent series was new and how people felt about it.
I suspect that Discovery will end up being by third favorite Star Trek series, behind DS9 and TOS. The first season was rough, especially at the beginning. There are many bad Star Trek episodes, but I find Lethe to be outright annoying. I generally disliked the pacing of the episodes and the tone of the dialogue. However, I understood what the writers wanted to accomplish, and I found the season improved toward the end. I think season two is great: the Control wrap-around is shallow, but some many great things happen, notably the examination of sibling relationships, and two episodes are absolutely great, New Eden and If Memory Serves.
Do I mind the visual update? Do I care that the Klingons were redesigned? No. I thought it was strange back in 1979 when the Klingons and the Enterprise looked different, but I got over it. I don't like everything about the look. The Discovery bridge is too big, not necessarily as a reflection of the era but as a set piece. I could do without harsh white lights. The Discovery itself is rather nifty looking, although perhaps a big large. The Klingons are ok, although I hate the muddled speech patterns. The Pike-prise is awesome--I used to say that if I were a kid, I would love to play on the NX-01, but that was totally supplanted by the new 1701.
What does this old Trekkie think? I can't wait for season 3. I was anticipating it more than Picard. It's doing a great job of being a thoughtful adventure show which maybe could slow down a little. Sonequa Martin-Green is first rate, easily the best actress the franchise has had (it's to be seen if she can do better than that).
I suspect that Discovery will end up being by third favorite Star Trek series, behind DS9 and TOS. The first season was rough, especially at the beginning. There are many bad Star Trek episodes, but I find Lethe to be outright annoying. I generally disliked the pacing of the episodes and the tone of the dialogue. However, I understood what the writers wanted to accomplish, and I found the season improved toward the end. I think season two is great: the Control wrap-around is shallow, but some many great things happen, notably the examination of sibling relationships, and two episodes are absolutely great, New Eden and If Memory Serves.
Do I mind the visual update? Do I care that the Klingons were redesigned? No. I thought it was strange back in 1979 when the Klingons and the Enterprise looked different, but I got over it. I don't like everything about the look. The Discovery bridge is too big, not necessarily as a reflection of the era but as a set piece. I could do without harsh white lights. The Discovery itself is rather nifty looking, although perhaps a big large. The Klingons are ok, although I hate the muddled speech patterns. The Pike-prise is awesome--I used to say that if I were a kid, I would love to play on the NX-01, but that was totally supplanted by the new 1701.
What does this old Trekkie think? I can't wait for season 3. I was anticipating it more than Picard. It's doing a great job of being a thoughtful adventure show which maybe could slow down a little. Sonequa Martin-Green is first rate, easily the best actress the franchise has had (it's to be seen if she can do better than that).
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I started watching the reruns of TOS in 74-75. Dad was a fan during it's initial run. These were the days of one TV in the house and no remotes so I watched what he watched. TOS was one I was glad I had. Now for Disco:
Disco Season One I didnt care for. The Art direction on the show was abysmal. The silly costumes, the sets, the ship designs, a bizarre species erroneously called "Klingons". Visual and special effects were the best in Trek TV history. But everything about the Klingon arc was disappointing as was the mirror universe, SMG/Burnham's weakness as a series lead, exotic high tech far beyond anything known to the 24th Century, etc. There were some stand out performances. I liked Isaacs' Lorca and Jayne Brooks' Admiral Cornwell.
I like the Mudd character and I like Rainn Wilson. But he was not Mudd for one second. Hilariously miscast. Tilly was dull, silly and goofy, though Saru was ok. Frain never convinced me that he was Sarek, and I normally like Frain. Stamets was an annoying douchey character, esp early on, and I couldnt care less about his love life, regardless of the genders. Cruz/Culber was/is the worst Dr of any Trek show. By a country mile. Completely forgettable, by which I mean both the character and the performance.
Since you havent watched Season 2, I wont comment on it, except for saying that for me it was an improvement.
Disco Season One I didnt care for. The Art direction on the show was abysmal. The silly costumes, the sets, the ship designs, a bizarre species erroneously called "Klingons". Visual and special effects were the best in Trek TV history. But everything about the Klingon arc was disappointing as was the mirror universe, SMG/Burnham's weakness as a series lead, exotic high tech far beyond anything known to the 24th Century, etc. There were some stand out performances. I liked Isaacs' Lorca and Jayne Brooks' Admiral Cornwell.
I like the Mudd character and I like Rainn Wilson. But he was not Mudd for one second. Hilariously miscast. Tilly was dull, silly and goofy, though Saru was ok. Frain never convinced me that he was Sarek, and I normally like Frain. Stamets was an annoying douchey character, esp early on, and I couldnt care less about his love life, regardless of the genders. Cruz/Culber was/is the worst Dr of any Trek show. By a country mile. Completely forgettable, by which I mean both the character and the performance.
Since you havent watched Season 2, I wont comment on it, except for saying that for me it was an improvement.
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Early design for the Klingon Captain by Ian McLean, on Flickr
Early design for the Klingon Captain for "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" by Robert Fletcher. (First published in "Starlog" #33, April 1980.) Just as the Federation ship was based on a design drawn for "Planet of the Titans".
Loving it.
Would DSC or PIC win any awards or new viewers if everything looked exactly like it was in the 60s, ignoring current-day tech that has sometimes surpassed the look of Trek tech?
Fan since TAS and 1979's TMP so very used to being told I'm "not a true fan" for liking "new Trek" and not being a "60s original", even though I am old enough to be one.
I think the show is bad in many ways.
It depends on the message board. Reddit for example is skewing really young.
That's probably due to the fact that message boards are the dinosaurs of social media. *runs and hides* I mean there are a LOT of younger Trek fans elsewhere. They DO exist. Just... not on message boards, I guess.
And now I'm still not sure if this means I'm old or not...
It depends on the message board. Reddit for example is skewing really young.
Okay I'm over being called old. 36 is not old, but I will admit it's getting there.
I like Discovery. It's not perfect (nothing is), but it's fun and I like the characters. I see it like they've essentially rebooted the 23rd century of Trek so Spock has a sister, everything looks different and they have Star Trek: Nemesis-level technology on the "old" USS Shenzhou. But they then expanded their Star Trek Universe to include the TNG follow-up Picard, and they want to have their cake and eat it to so it's the same universe and they're treating it like the X-Men movieverse, where characters change ages, backstories, superpowers, accents, in one case go from a big black guy to a diminutive white guy, and everyone acts like nothing's different.
It's just a TV show and TOS is still there on my shelf so how much does it really matter?
I like Discovery. It's not perfect (nothing is), but it's fun and I like the characters. I see it like they've essentially rebooted the 23rd century of Trek so Spock has a sister, everything looks different and they have Star Trek: Nemesis-level technology on the "old" USS Shenzhou. But they then expanded their Star Trek Universe to include the TNG follow-up Picard, and they want to have their cake and eat it to so it's the same universe and they're treating it like the X-Men movieverse, where characters change ages, backstories, superpowers, accents, in one case go from a big black guy to a diminutive white guy, and everyone acts like nothing's different.
It's just a TV show and TOS is still there on my shelf so how much does it really matter?
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