Good Will Riker
Admiral
You can have it.Your loss.
However, I prefer films with good direction and an actual story.
What direction should Bond go in from here?
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However, I prefer films with good direction and an actual story.
Ideally an in-between balance, but since there was no option for that I voted new
Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
Again? You mean with casion royale and quantum of solace
Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
Bourne I mean Bond will find Spectre....I mean Quantum headquaters
The main difference IMHO is that, while it was silly, Moonraker was actually enjoyable and fun on some level. DAD was not. It took everything that was bad about Bond movies and magnified them. For me it was really the end of Brosnan Bond even though I still think Brosnan was excellent as Bond.
Plus I usually see it in conjunction with TWINE which I nearly walked out on as well because I felt it was very, very poor as well.
It does seem to be somewhat polarizing but I don't think it has more detractors. Where did you get that information?
My impression has been the opposite:
Just looking at the BBS, the QoS poll clearly shows that most people (just over 64%) thought it was either Above Average or Excellent.
It has a 66% rating at Rottentomatoes which isn't terrific by any means but doesn't point to more detractors either.
And at IMDB it even has a more favorable rating of 7.2.
Again, it's clearly down from CR (which has 94% at RT and 8.0 at IMDB). But it seems to me like it's got more fans than detractors.
I absolutely agree. I feel TND was easily Brosnan's best.
Yeah, it's the same over on Outpost Gallifrey - it doesn't have more detractors than fans, it has *louder* detractors (who are more frequent posters) than fans.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Consensus is for shit, that's like majority rules, which is for shit. If a bond film can energize dissent and opinionated folk, it is probably either unbelievably bad (TND, DAD, VTAK), incredibly wrongheaded (CR) or different in striking ways (QOS, OHMSS), and the latter of those three is a GOOD thing.
Craig is short and ugly and as such he can never work for me as Bond on a basic level. I'd have bought off reluctantly on Tim Roth if they had to have someone ugly, and not reluctantly at all on Sean Bean if they needed a quasi-blond, but Craig? Good actor, but the luckiest movie star this century.
I say Rotten Tomatoes is an unreliable source when GoldenEye has a 81% score, despite having similar gaping flaws in it's writing and directing in comparison to Brosnan's other movies, making it immensely overrated. IMDb seems a little more accurate, since GE has a score of 7.1.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Haven't you been reading the thread? GOLDENEYE has Sean Bean, it makes all the difference (not being sarcastic either.)
I hope because of the polarized response towards Quantum of Solace that the producers don't try and go back to formula for the next one. I really like the direction they're going and I want to see it continued. I don't want to see Bond ordering Martini's, talking up Moneypenny or dishing quips with Q. I've seen enough of that in twenty-odd films prior.
Give me something different.
Give me something different.
We'll probably go sci-fi again, even in Craig's tenure, but hopefully the fantastical and science fiction elements will be used sparingly so as not to ruin the characters and plot. For example You Only Live Twice is nearly as far out as Moonraker but it is much more enjoyable than Thunderball or The Man With the Golden Gun.
With the Quantum syndicate I want them to continue past Bond 23 and be more to it than just a gathering of corrupt rich people wittering to each other down earplugs in a theatre. I want the proper return of sprawling secret lairs manned by small armies numbering in the hundreds, with a plausible doomsday weapon, and unlike the Brosnan movies we could have a proper pitched battle between Quantum guards and soldiers from a 'legitimate' government (but don't make it campy so it is like the Hank Scorpio battle, make it more like a battle between the US Military and Blackwater security).
With the Quantum syndicate I want them to continue past Bond 23 and be more to it than just a gathering of corrupt rich people wittering to each other down earplugs in a theatre. I want the proper return of sprawling secret lairs manned by small armies numbering in the hundreds, with a plausible doomsday weapon, and unlike the Brosnan movies we could have a proper pitched battle between Quantum guards and soldiers from a 'legitimate' government (but don't make it campy so it is like the Hank Scorpio battle, make it more like a battle between the US Military and Blackwater security).
Good Will Riker
Admiral
The fact that Barbara Broccoli and Daniel Craig (on occassion) reads blogs like these on other boards is what I find amusing.
It would surprise me (or, wouldn't) if they ever lifted an idea or gone with a suggestion based on a few clever blog postings.
It would surprise me (or, wouldn't) if they ever lifted an idea or gone with a suggestion based on a few clever blog postings.
I just have to get something off my chest. The World Is Not Enough is the worst of all 23 Bond movies. Past the Thames chase, it's dull, the action is lifeless (quick, we've got to luge throw an oil pipe!) Denise Richards as a nuclear physicist is harder to believe than exploding money.
I'm sure they're sticking to this formula. QoS has grossed like $102M in the US in two weeks. It got another $27M this weekend despite being up against Twilight (although that's a totally different audience). Although the reviews weren't as universal as CR, they were positive. They've found what works. The B.O. was there but the missing piece from the Brosnan films was the good storytelling. Wilson & Broccoli in interviews were very conscious that their movies were getting critically panned. Craig works. Grounded in reality works.
I'm sure they're sticking to this formula. QoS has grossed like $102M in the US in two weeks. It got another $27M this weekend despite being up against Twilight (although that's a totally different audience). Although the reviews weren't as universal as CR, they were positive. They've found what works. The B.O. was there but the missing piece from the Brosnan films was the good storytelling. Wilson & Broccoli in interviews were very conscious that their movies were getting critically panned. Craig works. Grounded in reality works.
I actually do like that they've ditched the high-tech gadgets as some of them were getting out of hand. Invisible car, anyone?
However, I would like to see Bond get back to fighting Evil Organizations with Sallelite Weapon of Doom in Earth orbit. Yes, it's been done ad nauseum, but when done right it makes for a rather fun story.
Besides, Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace are still loaded with Bond cliches despite leaving out the high-tech gadgets and Evil Organizations with Sallelite Weapon of Doom in Earth orbit.
However, I would like to see Bond get back to fighting Evil Organizations with Sallelite Weapon of Doom in Earth orbit. Yes, it's been done ad nauseum, but when done right it makes for a rather fun story.
Besides, Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace are still loaded with Bond cliches despite leaving out the high-tech gadgets and Evil Organizations with Sallelite Weapon of Doom in Earth orbit.
They should take a page from the headlines for Bond 23 and he should take down a vast pirate organization. It could take him to Egypt, Kenya, Indonesia and even Dubai, which is one of the last super-luxurious places Bond hasn't visited.