What direction should Bond go in from here?

[Sci]

The gun barrel being at the end of Quantum Of Solace annoyed me so much (not to mention it did not make sense) and even the semi gun barrel in Casion Royale annoyed me as well. Its' like the Bond producers are trying to make the series non Bond

The gunbarrel sequence at the end of Quantum of Solace made perfect sense. It was a way of symbolically representing how Craig's Bond has finally become the 007 that we're all familiar with now that he's put Vesper behind him.

Huge flaw there, he apparently became 007 in the beginning of the previous film

You're reading my phrase too literally.

I don't mean, he finally became a 00 agent of MI-6 designated 007 at the end of Quantum of Solace. What I mean is, the journey by which James Bond acquired the character traits we are commonly familiar with in that character is completed at the end of Quantum of Solace -- by putting Vesper behind him, he has come to the same emotional place that we traditionally find the character in in pre-Craig films.

 

[Siwilliams]

The gadgets and puns from the Brosnan movies are groan-inducing. Terrible. The scene where he drives a BMW with a cell phone is ridiculous.

My favorite scene from Tomorrow Never Dies, it is cool and funny

TND's carpark chase was better paced, more intricate and memorable than the opening car chase from Quantum of Solace, that's for sure.

I agree, though the new movie's car chase scene would have been a lot better if I could actually tell what was going on. Like all of Batman Begins' fight scenes and so a certain extent The Dark Knight, the whole car chase scene was way to fast in the new Bond film

 

[Siwilliams]

Yep, there was plenty of humor to be found. Just because it's not in-your-face, that doesn't mean it isn't funny.

I am not saying it has to be in your face funny, it just seems very lacking in the last two new films

 

[Siwilliams]

The gunbarrel sequence at the end of Quantum of Solace made perfect sense. It was a way of symbolically representing how Craig's Bond has finally become the 007 that we're all familiar with now that he's put Vesper behind him.

Huge flaw there, he apparently became 007 in the beginning of the previous film

You're reading my phrase too literally.

I don't mean, he finally became a 00 agent of MI-6 designated 007 at the end of Quantum of Solace. What I mean is, the journey by which James Bond acquired the character traits we are commonly familiar with in that character is completed at the end of Quantum of Solace -- by putting Vesper behind him, he has come to the same emotional place that we traditionally find the character in in pre-Craig films.

That may be, but the whole point of the gun barrel scene is to be the teaser to the movie, a pre-title sequence that leads to the first action scene.

 

[Siwilliams]

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Not true. One example off the top of my head from QoS: Bond and Felix meet up in a bar. Shortly thereafter, Bond leaves and the place is raided by special forces. Felix calmly finishes his beer while the place is turned upside down.

Or the exchange: "This man had me imprisoned and tortured and you want to serve him fine wine?" "You only buy cheap wine."

Of course, humour is subjective.

Another good one IMHO.

Here's some more:

Bond (checking in at the hotel with Ms. Fields): "We are teachers on a sabbatical. Who have won the lottery."

M to Bond: "And if you could avoid killing anyone we might learn something from, it would be greatly appreciated."

Also, I think the scene in the taxi with Mathis where the driver kept on babbling was quite funny.

Out of those three I found the third one funny, that was a good scene. Too bad Mathis bit the dust

 

[Kelthaz]

Well put me down as someone who loved the old Bond with gadgets out the wazoo and plenty of camp to go around. I'm tired of shows thinking they have to be dark and dreary to be taken seriously by people. Bond is supposed to be fun and Quantum of Solace completely missed the mark.

Oh, and Die Another Day was awesome. I would love to see more movies in that style.

 

[Siwilliams]

Watched Die Another Day recently, still don't understand why people did not like it. When watching it it felt a lot like the Connery films, a mix of You Only Live Twice, Goldfiner, Diamonds Are Forever

 

[Sci]

Huge flaw there, he apparently became 007 in the beginning of the previous film

You're reading my phrase too literally.

I don't mean, he finally became a 00 agent of MI-6 designated 007 at the end of Quantum of Solace. What I mean is, the journey by which James Bond acquired the character traits we are commonly familiar with in that character is completed at the end of Quantum of Solace -- by putting Vesper behind him, he has come to the same emotional place that we traditionally find the character in in pre-Craig films.

That may be, but the whole point of the gun barrel scene is to be the teaser to the movie, a pre-title sequence that leads to the first action scene.

Most of the time, yes. But in this instance, they used it as a signifier that James Bond had completed the journey he began in Casino Royale towards achieving the status we associated previous versions of the character with. It makes perfect sense. You may not agree with it, but that does not mean it doesn't make sense.

 

[Siwilliams]

You're reading my phrase too literally.

I don't mean, he finally became a 00 agent of MI-6 designated 007 at the end of Quantum of Solace. What I mean is, the journey by which James Bond acquired the character traits we are commonly familiar with in that character is completed at the end of Quantum of Solace -- by putting Vesper behind him, he has come to the same emotional place that we traditionally find the character in in pre-Craig films.

That may be, but the whole point of the gun barrel scene is to be the teaser to the movie, a pre-title sequence that leads to the first action scene.

You may not agree with it, but that does not mean it doesn't make sense.

Well, other agreed it made no sense, there were a lot of wtf's

 

[JacksonArcher]

Yes, the same people who would rather prefer Bond run around dressing up as a clown.

I put much faith in those people.

 

[Siwilliams]

Yes, the same people who would rather prefer Bond run around dressing up as a clown.

That was a disguise and a minor, very minor part of the film. If you are going to bash that then you liking Bond in the new film pretending to be the man with the case makes no sense

 

[JacksonArcher]

I was poking fun. What, I thought you wanted Bond to have more humor?

 

[Siwilliams]

I was poking fun. What, I thought you wanted Bond to have more humor?

I realize that, though a lot of people point that scene out. Anyway, add humor that is not bland I guess

 

[JacksonArcher]

Ouch! Burn!

 

[Sci]

That may be, but the whole point of the gun barrel scene is to be the teaser to the movie, a pre-title sequence that leads to the first action scene.

You may not agree with it, but that does not mean it doesn't make sense.

Well, other agreed it made no sense, there were a lot of wtf's

Then you and the others you saw it with were clearly not paying attention to the thematic content of this film and its immediate predecessor, because they really couldn't have been more obvious about their creative intent if they had hit the audience over the head whilst shouting, "WE'RE! *THWAP!* PUTTING! *THWAP!* IN! *THWAP!* THE! *THWAP!* GUNBARREL! *THWAP!* SHOT! *THWAP!* AT! *THWAP!* THE! *THWAP!* END! *THWAP!* AS! *THWAP!* A! *THWAP!* WAY! *THWAP!* OF! *THWAP!* SAYING! *THWAP!* THAT! *THWAP!* HE! *THWAP!* IS! *THWAP!* NOW! *THWAP!* THE! *THWAP!* JAMES! *THWAP!* BOND! *THWAP!* WE'RE! *THWAP!* ALL! *THWAP!* FAMILIAR! *THWAP!* WITH! *THWAP!*"

Which, again, you may or may not agree with. Personally, I would have preferred doing away with the traditional gun barrel sequence altogether and always doing what Casino Royale did for its gun barrel sequence: Having a pre-titles action sequence that is in some way thematically relevant to the story and always ending it with someone trying to shoot Bond but him shooting them first, jump cutting into the POV of the shooter as he dies before dissolving to the title sequence.

But even if you don't agree with it, it makes perfect sense and there's no good reason to be confused.

 

[Skywalker]

Personally, I would have preferred doing away with the traditional gun barrel sequence altogether and always doing what Casino Royale did for its gun barrel sequence: Having a pre-titles action sequence that is in some way thematically relevant to the story and always ending it with someone trying to shoot Bond but him shooting them first, jump cutting into the POV of the shooter as he dies before dissolving to the title sequence.

Yeah, that could have been a cool new tradition. There was a perfect spot for it in QoS, too, at the end of the chase and fight with M's double agent bodyguard. All they would have had to do was cut out that lame opening car chase, and begin the movie with Mr. White being brought in for interrogation. As he falls to the floor, have Bond grab his gun and spin around, pull the trigger, BAM! Title sequence.

Man, if I were any good at film editing, I'd totally do a fan edit with that.

 

[TheMasterOfOrion]

I liked Casino Royale but I admit the newest direction sucks, the last movie was almost as bad as some of the worst Bond films

There is too much cultural nonsense holding the film series back, are they ready to evolve and accept Chow Yun-Fat as Agent Bond?

 

[Siwilliams]

You may not agree with it, but that does not mean it doesn't make sense.

Well, other agreed it made no sense, there were a lot of wtf's

Then you and the others you saw it with were clearly not paying attention to the thematic content of this film and its immediate predecessor, because they really couldn't have been more obvious about their creative intent if they had hit the audience over the head whilst shouting, "WE'RE! *THWAP!* PUTTING! *THWAP!* IN! *THWAP!* THE! *THWAP!* GUNBARREL! *THWAP!* SHOT! *THWAP!* AT! *THWAP!* THE! *THWAP!* END! *THWAP!* AS! *THWAP!* A! *THWAP!* WAY! *THWAP!* OF! *THWAP!* SAYING! *THWAP!* THAT! *THWAP!* HE! *THWAP!* IS! *THWAP!* NOW! *THWAP!* THE! *THWAP!* JAMES! *THWAP!* BOND! *THWAP!* WE'RE! *THWAP!* ALL! *THWAP!* FAMILIAR! *THWAP!* WITH! *THWAP!*"

Which, again, you may or may not agree with. Personally, I would have preferred doing away with the traditional gun barrel sequence altogether and always doing what Casino Royale did for its gun barrel sequence: Having a pre-titles action sequence that is in some way thematically relevant to the story and always ending it with someone trying to shoot Bond but him shooting them first, jump cutting into the POV of the shooter as he dies before dissolving to the title sequence.

But even if you don't agree with it, it makes perfect sense and there's no good reason to be confused.

I did understand it, but in order to be Bond 22, it made no sense

 

[Siwilliams]

Ouch! Burn!

I meant in the movies, the last two new ones

 

[Siwilliams]

Personally, I would have preferred doing away with the traditional gun barrel sequence altogether and always doing what Casino Royale did for its gun barrel sequence:

Then that would make the last two films even less of Bond films than they are already. Maybe to make the next Bond film an official Bourne film, Bond could say 'I remember.....I remember everything M'