Goldsmith didn't win an oscar for that score? Wow. What do you have to do to win an oscar? Maybe have a good movie. It was a seminal score but a one note movie. Shatner knew and memo'd Gene that pages of action had to come out of the antagonist. In Thy Image had a race called the Wan who worshipped Vger and could have provided a story at least. They had the tail of a story but not the meat.
What did you like or didn't like about TMP
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That would be 'The Lost Years', by J.M. Dillard, circa about 1989 or so. It takes place just after Enterprise arrives back home, and Kirk gets what some Captains would love to have- a seat at the admiralty table. Nogura has his plans, and Jim gets caught up in them-ergo the BAD BAD NEED to get his lady back...and Bones sums it up in one line..'He's one of the quarterdeck breed'...born to command, not sit at a desk.Also, we 'learn' why Spock chose Kohlinahr in the first place-tied to very dramtic events.
trevanian
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I think A LITTLE ROMANCE won. Sort of like
BABE beating APOLLO 13 for the vfx oscar, total travesty.
Then again, Goldsmith didn't win for PATTON or PLANET OF THE APES or THE WIND & THE LION or BLUE MAX or any of a dozen more extraordinary scores. Instead, he only wins an oscar once, for THE OMEN, which at many points to me sounds like a bad riff on John Barry's THE LION IN WINTER. No justice.
Wow, I totally have to disagree with this. Actors' performances rarely improve with looping, no matter how many takes they get. The ideal is to get good audio on the set because you capture the performance, and when you have an actor sitting in a booth trying to match lip action it's a mechanical process that is about matching, not performance. If anything. the need to loop so much of the bridge dialog more likely hurt the performances than anything else.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Reason I mention this is that Wise's editor went on and on about how Nimoy's looping improved the performance.
Possibly for Nimoy, but in general I find looped dialog usually results in a performance hit.
That it felt like a film first and foremost (took 30 years to achieve that again). While the costumes were funny, they still look more functional than the burgandy Napoleonic monstrosities that followed. 2nd act (getting to Vger) I will concede hurts this film, I think it still has a very well done 1st and 3rd act though. Musically and visually, Star Trek has very rarely topped this film (and that includes JJ Trek). I will concede I am an unabashed TMP fan, but I have seen everything Trek has to offer over the years and this is still a unique entry into the canon that deserves due consideration.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
See, and to me, TFF feels and looks more like a feature film than any of them (I consider the abrams thing to be a fiasco that doesn't even count as trek.) At least with Shatner's DP you have some vistas and the interior stuff is often well-composed for widescreen.
The Wise pic has all the money, but it seems like almost a parody of a big budget film at times, because you have scale and epic but it keeps missing on delivery of these environments (except maybe engineering, which looks very good, and the klingon stuff, which looks so snappy it makes the rest of the movie seem like it was done by amateurs.)
You have the San Francisco terminal, ruined by the painted extras.
You have the cargo bay intro of E interiors, ruined by painted foreground rails.
You have the worst split diopter stuff imaginable because you need hard edged lighting to make the approach work, and the soft light just makes it mush.
The underlighting on much of the interior ent stuff is just plain unflattering as well as ill-conceived; not the way you light a feature film, more like Halloween. (again, not going to even consider the abrams, since the lighting and set design there is just so far past abyssmal and illogical to be mainly an ad for using lots of pain relievers, as if you needed another excuse beyond the lens flare crap.)
The visual effects often are the only parts of the film delivering that big movie feel, but because they aren't cut into the film well, even those parts undercut the big movie aspect at times.
I like a lot of what TMP tried to do (most of the time TWOK and TFF and TMP are the only ones I actually like), and am actually a pretty big defender of the film most of the time. But there are so many wrong calls made -- often because of idiotic small matters, like lowering set lighting because the buttons were melted by brighter bulbs and to keep the RP looking adequate -- that it seems like a hard-on-the-eyes accident more often than a major motion picture.
startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
What age was Shatner when he came back as Kirk in The Motion Picture
Hm, that's it? I don't know why I thought he was older. Nimoy though looked pretty weathered.
Let me caveat this by saying TMP is the only Trek film I've never completely watched because it bored me to tears.
Likes:
-Decker and Illia. I just wish they had gotten more character development.
-Refit Enterprise
-Concept of V'Ger
-New uniforms. Well, I used to like them. I've liked them less as time's gone on. However, I liked the TMP-like dress uniform Pike wore in the new Trek film.
-The new look for the Klingons
-FX weren't bad for their time. There were some nice visual shots
Dislikes:
-Pacing, story plodded along
-Lack of background score for a lot of the movie, at least the part I saw. It only added to the tedium.
Likes:
-Decker and Illia. I just wish they had gotten more character development.
-Refit Enterprise
-Concept of V'Ger
-New uniforms. Well, I used to like them. I've liked them less as time's gone on. However, I liked the TMP-like dress uniform Pike wore in the new Trek film.
-The new look for the Klingons
-FX weren't bad for their time. There were some nice visual shots
Dislikes:
-Pacing, story plodded along
-Lack of background score for a lot of the movie, at least the part I saw. It only added to the tedium.
Very well said and I agree totally!
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Hasn't that always been the case? They're only four days apart in age in real life.
I love TMP. Sure the flyby is excessive, like several people have said, but the music's awesome! 
I like most everything about the movie.
I like most everything about the movie.
startrekrcks
Fleet Captain
I like the movie as well it's not boring or anything.
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