What did Gabrielle Burnham mean?

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  1. Cyanide Muffin

    Cyanide Muffin Time is ticking away, tick, tick, ticking away. Premium Member

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    This quote from Michael's mum in Discovery. It's had my stewing for a while and I have my own interpretation on what she said.

    "Time is a living thing, it has gravity and will... Time is savage"

    I think she meant it kind of literally. I've been stewing on this series for a bit and I think her words were meant semi literally that time is a living force, maybe not sentient but a force of nature that can pull you and push you, and break you if not handled in the right way.

    Let's discuss this.
     
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  2. -Brett-

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    You've already put more thought into it than the STD writers.

    It's just something that some boomer thought sounded edgy.
     
  3. Cyanide Muffin

    Cyanide Muffin Time is ticking away, tick, tick, ticking away. Premium Member

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    I'll take that as a compliment. I don't think we'll see thoughts like that looked at or addressed in season 3, but I just found the line interesting. It was a throwaway line I guess but it's one of those ST lines that seemed to stick with me.

    I do think we will see them deal with the repercussions of their move to the future. I think we will see how the crew handles the change.
     
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  5. Cyanide Muffin

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  6. Tarek71

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    I got the idea that as time passed, she became progressively more frustrated in her inability to bring about the changes she wanted to, and therefore started to see Time as if it had a will, a temperament. A hostile one. Hostile to her at least. But it could have been that Daniels or agents from Temporal Affairs or someone else was working to make sure she failed in certain things.
     
  7. Cyanide Muffin

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    Or that certain events like in Dr Who are fixed points in time that can't be changed without bad juju happening.
     
  8. Tosk

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    "Someone once told me that time is a predator that stalks us all our lives. I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment...because they'll never come again."

    Maybe Picard and Soran are both right. :)
     
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    Wow only took you 30 minutes to swoop in with the hate! I tend to agree with @Tarek71 so they put a wee bit of thought into it.
     
  10. King Daniel Beyond

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    For some reason, that line brought to mind the weird vortex from TNG: "Time Squared".

    I think she was extremely frustrated after years and years of trying and failing. She'd gone all Moby Dick on time.
     
  11. NewHeavensNewEarth

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    She was having an Annorax moment.
     
  12. fireproof78

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    That's kind of my interpretation as well. She has been fighting for so long and it is constantly feeling like it pushes against you, pushes back against what you are trying to do. Just like people note right now that "why do bad things always happen to me?" Eventually it just gets to you.
     
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    Can you stop trolling?
     
  14. David cgc

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    I've seen people talk about fire the same way, at first analogizing it to a living thing to help you understand that, as a force, it will slip through any opening you leave it (making you feel like it's smarter than you; it's not, it's just everywhere, which by definition includes any place you haven't thought of), but eventually slipping and outright anthropomorphizing it, like the fire hates them, personally.
     
  15. Agony_Boothb

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    Time became the whale to Burnham's ahab. Time travel consumed mother burnhams life and like any great obsession she anthropomorphised it.
     
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  16. Timo

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    ...Also, even though it would appear simple for a time traveler to alter history so that awful things are avoided, Burnham Sr has tried and tried and at most made things worse. She's basically responsible for terminating all sapient existence in the Milky Way, through negligence. She'd obviously feel she's fighting against an enemy greater than just the one her time travel tricks are aimed at bringing down: a great force (of nature?) is actively and savagely against those attempts somehow.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  17. SpocksOddSocks

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    I think she meant it's not entirely linear, but more of a wibbly wobbly, timey wimey... what were we talking about again?
     
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    If it's not "some boomer", watch him twist it the other way with "some damn millennial". He'll probably come up with something for everything. And that's all I have to say about him, so onto something more interesting.
    I think time unfolds differently with every one thing that's changed. Everything we experience is what resulted from a ton of other things coming together. So once you change the makeup of it, you change its character. You have no idea what it will look like.

    So, if Gabrielle is personifying Time, then Time is a person who you're dealing with where you have no idea how they're going to react. When you have no idea how they're going to react, it's like you have to step on eggshells. Just like when you deal with someone savage, who you don't want to fight, you have to treat them like you're stepping on eggshells.
     
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  20. Sisko_is_my_captain

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    Time is in everything. It surrounds us, binds up together. It's in the rock, the car, your boner on the subway. That nice hoochie's ass in those tight leather pants; The kind you just wanna smack and go "Piyow, Bitch." Ugrh, sorry.

    Was I outta character, George? Sorry I messed up.
     
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