What Changes Would You Have For "Elaan of Troyius"?

[Nebusj]

Thousands of miles. And TOS did it just fine. More tension in one of its battle scenes - which NEVER showed battling ships in the same frame - than in a dozen starships zipping around like racecars.

However, I think the evidence of ``The Corbomite Maneuver'', ``The Doomsday Machine'', ``The Ultimate Computer'', ``The Enterprise Incident'' and other episodes in which they were able to spring for fitting two ships in the same frame shows that, had they been able to afford fitting several ships firing at one another in the same picture then they would have, nominal distances and relative sizes notwithstanding.

 

[Kryton]

France Nuyen was tremendous in St. Elsewhere, I might add.

 

[Forbin]

Tremendous? She's only 5 feet tall!

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Really this episode needs a KLINGON BIRD OF PREY...they are so kewl

Also, a scene where the Elaan dances to Kelis's "Milkshake" song.

 

[A beaker full of death]

Really this episode needs a KLINGON BIRD OF PREY...they are so kewl

There is no such ship. Don't get me started.

 

[cooleddie74]

Technically there WERE Birds-of-Prey in this era since they also existed in a more primitive form in the ENT era(the K'Tlor-class ships with the swiveling[?]disruptor cannons slung underneath their hulls)but since no TOS episodes described Klingon ships as anything but "warships," "battle cruisers" or "scout vessels" a BoP wouldn't easily fit into any of the episodes.

 

[A beaker full of death]

Technically there WERE Birds-of-Prey in this era since they also existed in a more primitive form in the ENT era(the K'Tlor-class ships with the swiveling[?]disruptor cannons slung underneath their hulls)but since no TOS episodes described Klingon ships as anything but "warships," "battle cruisers" or "scout vessels" a BoP wouldn't easily fit into any of the episodes.

Balls. ENT doesn't speak to a show made 40 years earlier by far more talented people. The Bird of Prey is Romulan.

 

[Timo]

...since no TOS episodes described Klingon ships as anything but "warships," "battle cruisers" or "scout vessels" a BoP wouldn't easily fit into any of the episodes.

Then again, no TOS episode described Romulan vessels as anything else, either. There was no Bird of Prey in TOS, not by any species, not according to any species.

Judging by "Broken Bow", the tendency to consider spaceships avians is a Vulcan one, and possibly this practice is also observed by those Vulcan rejects who painted birds on their ships' bellies during their fights with Earthlings. Technically, in later Trek we only ever hear our Earthling heroes use these avian terms, no doubt influenced by their important Vulcan allies; everybody else speaks through the Universal Translator, and thus is likely to have his or her word for a specific starship type always translated to its Earthling/English equivalent, in this case a bird-motif one.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[cooleddie74]

I guess I'm just trying to rationalize the absence of any BoP's without lambasting and attacking the Remastering team. They've done a very good job so far and I'm not much for jumping down their throats over not showing a Bird-of-Prey.

 

[Lieut. Arex]

They had their chance to do a series-era Klingon scout twice and chose not to, once in an episode that explicitly called for one, "Friday's Child". As Sulu suggests in TSfS the cloaked ship is about the size of a scout, an ancestor of the Klingon BoP would have been a perfect choice. Instead, in FC they used a battlecruiser and had Kor's fleet in "Errand of Mercy" composed solely of them as well.

 

[A beaker full of death]

Then again, no TOS episode described Romulan vessels as anything else, either. There was no Bird of Prey in TOS, not by any species, not according to any species.

You're splitting hairs. "It's painted like a giant bird of prey." It was the HALLMARK of Romulan ships, their identifying characteristic.

 

[Forbin]

Did HALLMARK make a bird of prey ornament?

 

[cooleddie74]

Not that I recall. If they did it's been years.

 

[A beaker full of death]

 

[cooleddie74]

Really this episode needs a KLINGON BIRD OF PREY...they are so kewl

There is no such ship. Don't get me started.

Retconning and CBS/Paramount canon say otherwise.

You may not like it...but it is what it is.

 

[A beaker full of death]

Really this episode needs a KLINGON BIRD OF PREY...they are so kewl

There is no such ship. Don't get me started.

Retconning and CBS/Paramount canon say otherwise.

You may not like it...but it is what it is.

And it isn't what it isn't - Star Trek.

 

[cooleddie74]

^

Again...an opinion. Nothing but.

 

[A beaker full of death]

^

Again...an opinion. Nothing but.

How is that an opinion?

"How would you know a Romulan ship?"
"It's painted like a giant bird of prey."

Basic logic 101: If you see a ship painted like a bird of prey, it's a Romulan. That's not theory or opinion. It's explicit in the dialogue.

 

[Noname Given]

Then again, no TOS episode described Romulan vessels as anything else, either. There was no Bird of Prey in TOS, not by any species, not according to any species.

You're splitting hairs. "It's painted like a giant bird of prey." It was the HALLMARK of Romulan ships, their identifying characteristic.

You would probably call this a hair splitting; BUT - once the Roulans began using the Klingon design; that particular 'hallmark' disappeared from Romulan vessels altogether (production reasons/decisions aside of course). Given we only saw Romulan ships three times in the entire TOS run (Balance of Terror, The Deadly Years and The Enterprise Incident - Romulans were mentioned in Way To Eden; but the ships never showed up) - I think you could say they were a hallmark of some Romulan vessels in their fleet; but not all Romulan ships.

 

[Forbin]

CBS' Digital's dessecrations are not canon.