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What Changes Would You Have For "A Taste of Armageddon"?

Hence the completely jacked-up episode "Rogue Planet" in ENTERPRISE. Arguably the worst science in a STAR TREK story in years.
 
I wish they would have re-looped Leonard Nimoy's dialogue, so Spock could say "Vulcans" instead of "Vulcanians". :vulcan:

And something for the disruptors, for crying out loud. I'll give on the lawgiver sticks last week, but I'm sick of weapons which seemingly do nothing but still have great consequence. At least make the "barrel" (fins?) glow or shimmer or whatever to indicate that something rather than nothing is going on. I would have liked to see something akin to Babylon 5's PPG effects for this episode.
 
brian said:
I'm sick of weapons which seemingly do nothing but still have great consequence.
Didn't bother me. They were the 23rd century version of "silent but deadly".

And Vulcanian and its variants were used more than once in Star Trek.

I, for one, admire CBS Digital for not trying to recreate Star Trek in the later series' image.
 
^^^You can't see the projectiles coming out of guns, can you? This, frankly, never bothered me.
 
DS9Sega said:
^^^You can't see the projectiles coming out of guns, can you?

Gas20pistol20firing.jpg
 
Let's look back at the first beam weapon of "modern" science fiction, the Martian "heat ray" from "War of the Worlds". Just about every "filmed" adaptation has depicted it as highly visible, but in Wells' original novel, it was pratically invisible. Which, in some ways, made it all the more frightening. The unnamed protagonist couldn't tell where the weapon was aimed except by its effect upon various targets. He had no way of telling if he'd be its next victim.

If another company ever takes a crack at depicting the invasion happening in "turn of the century" England, I'd love to see something akin to a "lensing" distortion along the path of the heat ray, no glowing "light saber" effect, but a subtle wavering distortion of the air like one would see when staring just above a vehicle or a road on a blistering summer day.

Sincerely,

Bill
 
That's what I was thinking of for the disruptors in "A Taste of Armageddon". If they are indeed sonic, waves strong enough to explode and burn equipment at a distance should create some kind of visual disturbance of the transmission medium (the air in the Eminian building, or *ha ha, as if* the vacuum near Enterprise).
 
brian said:
That's what I was thinking of for the disruptors in "A Taste of Armageddon". If they are indeed sonic, waves strong enough to explode and burn equipment at a distance should create some kind of visual disturbance of the transmission medium (the air in the Eminian building, or *ha ha, as if* the vacuum near Enterprise).

Agreed. Some sort of wavy distortion like the sonic cannons used by the Geonosians against the Jedi in EPISODE II:ATTACK OF THE CLONES. Something that's not really a bolt or beam, but still leaves some visual trace of its movement through air and space.
 
Or the shot the stormtroopers used to stun Leia after recording her "...you're my only hope" speech in the remastered version of ANH. That effect worked well, IMO.
 
DS9Sega said:
brian said:
DS9Sega said:
^^^You can't see the projectiles coming out of guns, can you?

Gas20pistol20firing.jpg

First of all, that's a muzzle flash, not a bullet. So thanks for proving my point.

Second of all, I never said there should be beams or bullets, just some indication of function:

brian said:
At least make the "barrel" (fins?) glow or shimmer or whatever to indicate that something rather than nothing is going on.

So thank you for paying attention. :rolleyes:
 
cooleddie74 said:
Agreed. Some sort of wavy distortion like the sonic cannons used by the Geonosians against the Jedi in EPISODE II:ATTACK OF THE CLONES.
Kryton Kryngle said:
Or the shot the stormtroopers used to stun Leia after recording her "...you're my only hope" speech in the remastered version of ANH. That effect worked well, IMO.
This is going well. Let's make TOS more like Star Wars. That's the ticket. :rolleyes:

NOT.

Can we just let Star Trek be Star Trek, please?
 
I wonder if it's just because of her ultra-hot turn as the aging temptress Grace Gardener on Hill Street Blues, but I've come to appreciate Barbara Babcock as one of the most deliciously beautiful women of the series.
 
DrunkenSanta said:
cooleddie74 said:
Agreed. Some sort of wavy distortion like the sonic cannons used by the Geonosians against the Jedi in EPISODE II:ATTACK OF THE CLONES.
Kryton Kryngle said:
Or the shot the stormtroopers used to stun Leia after recording her "...you're my only hope" speech in the remastered version of ANH. That effect worked well, IMO.
This is going well. Let's make TOS more like Star Wars. That's the ticket. :rolleyes:

NOT.

Can we just let Star Trek be Star Trek, please?

No, that's not my intention. But other shows and movies DO have good ideas for weapon effects and opticals. Even if those shows and movies may or may not be as good as TOS.
 
NGC 321, eh? Yes, 'twas a bad choice.

But, then again, it's what we "hear" that is canon... so maybe it's actually written "Enjisi 321" or a Swahili-like "Njisi 321".... ;)
 
Notice the ambassador still managed to beam down, even though Scotty refused to drop the screens. Not supposed to be able to do that either.

It wouldn't be impossible for Fox to override Scotty somehow. Perhaps he has an executive keycard or something? But the big plot point is that if he did drop the shields, the Eminians would have opened fire again at the very second. Did they change their minds and decide they'd benefit more from yet another hostage?

That's worse than a "changed treknology premise" like the concept that weapons won't work well if shields are up full. That's a plot oversight that the writers should have caught.

If we had a quasar in our neck of the Milky Way, Galileo himself would have discovered it, it would be so bright. Hell, the Babylonians would have discovered it. But this is all academic. If we had a local quasar, there probably wouldn't be any life on earth because of the radiation it would put out.

Actually, that's more like one more Trek scientific prediction proven correct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microquasar

Timo Saloniemi
 
Another bit of plot I found silly is Anon 7's ultimatum to Scotty, which essentially boiled down to: "Beam down your entire crew so we can kill them all, or I'll kill this one guy I have here"

:cardie:

General Order 24 is a MUCH better threat! :lol:
 
Yeah, Anan 7 was dealing with one pretty lame hand there. I might imagine Archer or another 22nd century/early captain getting spooked and taken in by that kind of chest-thumping, but not Kirk. Then again, if Kirk and his people saw through it all that easily we wouldn't have had much of an episode.
 
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