Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by The Overlord, Jan 2, 2019.
I knew what you meant...no worries...!
The install it on Tuesday...
(seriously though, you can edit your posts once you're no longer a Newbie I think)
One of the strangest parts of forum rules, since no one needs the edit button more than newbies.
Good two jokes in one.
Thanks for Newbie support. Typo's and noticing them have nothing to do with being a Newbie. Been typing for over 40 years, but dyslexia, arthritis (and maybe dementia) are slowing me down.
Back to Season 2 Improvements> Bought Season 1 on BluRay, and these comments are priming me for things to look for.
I mean that isn't an easy argument to win.
The results of Enterprise sadly speak for themselves and audiences didn't seem to care for Bakula's Archer from the getgo.
His Jack Bauer makeover in S3/S4 helped a little, but it was too little, too late by then. Bakula played Archer like some sitcom dad in space, and I get why audiences weren't compelled by that performance.
Balkula's biggest sin was that he was dull and forgettable, aside from to the hardcore ENT fans..but they weren't enough to keep the show afloat.
Isn't that what The Orville is for these days? It's a love letter to 90's Trek.
It's a nice funny tribute but i don't agree with the people saying it "IS star trek"
I mean can you IMAGINE if it was actually a part of trek cannon and they just changed all the iconography but eveything else stayed the same.
It gets away with being what it is because it ISN'T Star Trek
I along with many, many others just want our old trek back, buuuuut it's not gonna happen so i'm with redlettermedia in that i have to go my seperate ways from the new shows, they just arent for me.
Can you imagine if what passes as funny in "The Orville" was shown in a Star Trek show?
We would have a riot on our hands
Considering MacFarlane was trying to pitch a Star Trek show back in 2011, I'm absolutely positive that some of the Orville scripts are reworked from story ideas he had then.
I agree with all of this. Part of Orville's appeal is that it isn't Star Trek, but it offers familiarity while trying to do its own thing.
Discovery doesn't get that latitude because Star Trek.
I think the Orville is fine for what it is: a sci fi comedy version of a Star Trek fan-film by Seth McFarlane. It superficially feels like 90s Trek. But it is definitely NOT Star Trek. Discovery feels more like real Star Trek than Orville does, and it superficially looks nothing like 90s Trek (which, btw its important to point out, didn't look much like 60s or 80s movie Trek).
But my point is, I have regular access to more than 600 hours of 90s Trek (including Enterprise, which I do). That's enough for me. It would have to be pretty spectacular to get me excited, which is why Orville, even when it's at it's best, is just not interesting to me.
I understand that completely. I can see where the Orville can scratch the Star Trek itch, but that isn't why it is for me. Same thing with Discovery. If I wanted the same old Trek then revisiting all the prior shows would be sufficient.
I've given up on the Orville, I think. I kinda wish Seth would drop the intrusive humor and just do his Trek cosplay.
That said, I don't think a modern take on episodic Trek would need to be a beige '90s retread any more than serialized storytelling must have long, boring subtitled speeches from Klingons wearing too much makeup. It's what you do with the format that counts.
I know it isn't an easily winnable argument, but I can still try.
Granted, it didn't end up succeeding to the point of getting a full 7 years.
But he brought that sense of wonder back to the franchise, and at the end of the day, that is why we want to explore space. It is vast and wondrous. Look at our own astronauts. I guarantee you they do it for more than just doing a job. They get to be out in the universe... a wonderful place, but also terrifying. It is the most hostile environment to life. A single thing going wrong can result in their deaths. I have always thought astronauts were heroes... they willingly go to a place that is a literal deathtrap, all to help the human race gain a better understanding of our universe.
Bakula, whatever else may be said about him, did bring that sense of adventure and joy at just being out there to his character. Whether that was instilled in the scripts or his own doing, he still sold it. At least, to me.
The Orville ISN'T Trek of course, but it is a substitute for Trek for many Trek fans that aren't getting the Trek they want from Discovery. There are other substitutes like the fan-made series: Star Trek Continues, Star Trek Phase 2-New Voyages, Exeter, etc., for those that want more TOS style Trek. As for rewatching the old Trek shows, that's an option, but that can get old, plus some crave something new.
I truly believe Trek should experiment with both. I have no doubt that there were many put off by DS9's format but enjoyed VOY and vice versa.
I'm hoping that the Picard show will allow for that exploration.
How does one want a substitute of Trek yet crave something new? How do we strike that balance between familiarity and new content?
This will sound pedantic but it isn't meant to be. I struggle with trying to wrap my mind around the demand for something to be both new and familiar. And I think Star Trek really struggles with that, as evidenced by fan films and their variety.
Like I've said before, trying to thread the needle between "Hey, this isn't like the old stuff!" and "Hey, this is just the same old stuff!" can be tricky.
one thing that could be improved this season is CBS-All Access in interface. On both amazon fire stick, and PS4 it just crawls when it comes to commercials. it invariably lags, then sometimes just repeats the commercial over again. It's a technical issue i would have hoped they'd fixed, but on a rewatch this week, it's still ongoing.
Same here. I don't have a problem with Seth MacFarlane wanting to do something that hearkens back to earlier Trek but when I realized that the S2 premiere was going to be about Bortus using the bathroom, I was like, "Thanks, but no thanks. This isn't for me."
The Orville seems like "Star Trek brought to you by Fratboys". When I was in college, I had a ton of friends who loved Family Guy and of the ones who were Trek fans, it was mainly TNG. So The Orville dead-on seems like a show written for them by someone who's just like them, except a bit older.
By new I simply meant new stories/adventures, I wasn't referring to style. The Orville is going to have to tell stories that are unique to its characters and universe to really stand out as something more than just a Trek copy. I think they've started doing that already. They've already told some stories that would never be done on Trek.
As for Discovery, its biggest problem could be that it is trying to be too different, Trek-like in iconography, but attempting to synthesize too many different sci-fi influences like Battlestar Galactica, The Expanse, Star Wars without staying true enough to what is unique to Trek.
Separate names with a comma.