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I'd agree that Beyond was the best Abramsverse movie. Both 2009 and Into Darkness are varying degrees of unholy mess.
What are your top 3 Star Trek films?
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Don't care for any of them. The Xindi reference in Beyond alone is enough to put it near the bottom.
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I said it was the best of the Abramsverse movies, I didn't say I cared for it
That was the problem for me in the 1st 2 movies involving Urban who felt like a walking talking highlight reel of Deforest Kelley's best mannerisms from TOS, something I thought was pushing parody. Urban, I thought, excelled when he didn't ape off of De Kelley and found dimensions in his character in BEYOND, unfortunately the worst movie from that trilogy. As for Quinto, and Pine, I thought they were very different versions of the Kirk and Spock I loved; where I wasn't much of a fan of Pine's character but I have a special place of love for Quinto's Spock, a character who wrestled with his emotions throughout the 2 JJ Abrams movies. Still felt the next chapter should've explored the obstacles on New Vulcan, for me, a missed opportunity.
In order:
TWOK
TSFS
TVH
Fourth would be FC.
What's wrong with the Xindi?
I found the Xindi story arc to be a weak and campy story arc.
"The Xindi", Season 2's finale, sold it as they wanted ENT Season 3 to be this Serious Post-9/11 Hard-Hitting Sci-Fi Series... and then it wasn't. Except when it was and they had Archer practicing Dick Cheney style torture tactics to prove he "has what it takes". It rubbed me the wrong way. And the Xindi looked like the creators saw Farscape and decided "We want aliens who look like those!" but they didn't quite pull it off.
Sure, ENT Season 3 was better than ENT Season 2, there's no denying that... but everything was better than ENT S2, so that's not saying a lot.
And? Just referencing the Xindi vaguely in Beyond as a former enemy doesn't really do anything negative to the plot. Just like in TOS when they referenced a made-up dictator or medical disease didn't harm the story. Except, this time, the uberfans might have some context in their world building.
I can't agree with you about season 2 being worse than season 3. No doubt season 2 was often weak and directionless, but it did have some redeeming Andorian episodes, and it was no where's near as disjointed and chaotic as season 3.
This is the answer you seek:
hyperbole
noun
1. exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally
Example: "he vowed revenge with oaths and hyperboles"
I wasn't really seriously making the argument that the mention of the Xindi was on it's own reason enough to dislike the film. I didn't enjoy anything about the film.
As much as I like Andorians Enterprise did them no favors. Beyond is more enjoyable for me.
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Yes, and I didn't like it.What!? Like 90% of Andorian appearances and lore is from Enterprise
Enterprise paid no heed to what was established about the Andorians in the late '90s litverse.
The late '90s litverse paid no heed to what was established in the Marvel Star Trek comics.
The late '90s litverse paid no heed to what was established in the Marvel Star Trek comics.
Into Darkness
The Motion Picture
The Wrath of Khan
The Motion Picture
The Wrath of Khan
And, it was well done... It made Andorians relevant.What!? Like 90% of Andorian appearances and lore is from Enterprise
Fourth would be FC.
When it comes to my fourth-favorite, I swing back and forth between FC and STAR TREK (2009). Depends on what day you ask me.
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