Apart from different color detailing, it doesn't look that different to me.I love the Yorktown-refit of it!
Apart from different color detailing, it doesn't look that different to me.I love the Yorktown-refit of it!
Apart from different color detailing, it doesn't look that different to me.
The pylons were the least of my problems with the design, haha.Changed the nacelle pylons.
The pylons were the least of my problems with the design, haha.
Well, in fairness, our friend Captain Esteban never actually ordered raising shields. He actually never even ordered evasive maneuvers either, just telling the helmsman to standby for evasive. So it may have been unshielded and basically sitting still at the time the Klingons fired.I never had an issue with the look of the Oberth-class. The shields could probably use some tweaks as it was taken out by one round of fire.
Poor EstebanWell, in fairness, our friend Captain Esteban never actually ordered raising shields. He actually never even ordered evasive maneuvers either, just telling the helmsman to standby for evasive. So it may have been unshielded and basically sitting still at the time the Klingons fired.

How so? Things often have to get worse in order to get better with humans.and feels wrong for Star Trek.
When you factor in First Contact and the Vulcan plot that runs into Enterprise, it seems more like a fluke - Cochrane and Sloane make a single warp flight and then Vulcans end up shepherding humans into the galactic stage (and somehow end up being part of a mostly-human-centric Federation anyway). And of course it's not even Cochrane and Sloane after the timeline change, it's Geordi and Riker appearing from the future.How so? Things often have to get worse in order to get better with humans.
I admit I wish the “aspirational future” didn’t have both an apocalypse and us getting helped up by aliens in it—but as elements in a science-fictional history, it’s not like they don’t make sense.How so? Things often have to get worse in order to get better with humans.
I don’t disagree. TOS as the world where 9/11 and its compounding effects never happened?But that aside, TOS in particular feels to me like a sketch of a world where 60s liberalism, and the subsequent 80s/90s "End of History" mood, continued to evolve into the 21st century and beyond, ushering in an age of global unity, human rights, and rapid technological progress. I think that's much more exciting as a proposal than the nuclear holocaust + Vulcan babysitting plotline that the Berman era solidified, and makes a much bolder statement about what our own world could be capable of.
Which it still does even with the Eugenics Wars. It's just that took an extreme moment to build away from the destruction.But that aside, TOS in particular feels to me like a sketch of a world where 60s liberalism, and the subsequent 80s/90s "End of History" mood, continued to evolve into the 21st century and beyond, ushering in an age of global unity, human rights, and rapid technological progress.
From what I understand, the Earth descends into "the post-atomic horror", and the only thing that really reverses it is the warp flight (which occurs against a backdrop of post-apocalyptic barrenness) accidentally forcing Vulcan intervention.Which it still does even with the Eugenics Wars. It's just that took an extreme moment to build away from the destruction.
That's TNG.From what I understand, the Earth descends into "the post-atomic horror", and the only thing that really reverses it is the warp flight (which occurs against a backdrop of post-apocalyptic barrenness) accidentally forcing Vulcan intervention.
Thing is, the glimpse of the Post-Atomic Horror we see is from 2079 — sixteen years after the first contact in 2063.From what I understand, the Earth descends into "the post-atomic horror", and the only thing that really reverses it is the warp flight (which occurs against a backdrop of post-apocalyptic barrenness) accidentally forcing Vulcan intervention.
No, it was a moment that started building towards something better when betterment was recognized not to be in a test tube. We also had the Saturn mission, the invention of warp and alien contact. It's all pivitol.Oh, well, yeah. My criticism is with the TNG/First Contact/Enterprise backstory with the nuclear war then the Vulcan arrival. I don't mind the existence of a major war in the 1990s in TOS' backstory, especially since it doesn't seem to be treated as a pivotal moment that explicitly led to the situation we see in TOS (and apparently ended around 1996 anyway).
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