Surely YJ.
What are your opinions regarding Star Trek that are, shall we say, unorthodox?
It appears to have been conceived as such from the get-go, as reported in Variety, though early-on NBC debated whether or not to shorten it to an hour.
Incidentally, it was sold without a pilot. It looks like NBC wanted to take viewers away from CBS, and figured that a longer program might lock in an audience for three half hours.
Yeah.
(Ship rocks from being attacked)
Troi: I sense danger and hostility, Will
They seldom gave her a lot to work with.
It was pilot they stuck on LAS. Probably to "burn off the inventory." So, not a true spin off.
Troi may not have had many good episodes, but she has a number of really good scenes.
Like in "The Ensigns of Command" when she was showing Picard the difficulties of understanding language between species. Or when she's trying to convince Riva to continue after his chorus was killed in "Loud As A Whisper". Or telling Picard she was being unprofessional in the turbolift in "The Masterpiece Society".
Almost all of her best scenes were when she wasn't being the ship's shrink.
Like in "The Ensigns of Command" when she was showing Picard the difficulties of understanding language between species. Or when she's trying to convince Riva to continue after his chorus was killed in "Loud As A Whisper". Or telling Picard she was being unprofessional in the turbolift in "The Masterpiece Society".
Almost all of her best scenes were when she wasn't being the ship's shrink.
NEM was shit, but her scenes revolving around the psychic trauma from Shinzon weren't the worst performances in the movie.
I agree and that's one of those situations where it's hard to separate her performance from the cringiness of having Troi being mind r*ped yet again.
"Remember me?" was one of Troi's best moments.
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Marina was good enough to convince me she was traumatized by Shinzon's mind crimes. That was one of the few emotionally rewarding moments in a bad movie.
I dont know why they found it so hard to write for Troi and Beverly. I can't actually remember a single thing Beverly even did in Nemesis.
It's the nature of the movies I suppose. Troi's skillset is about sensing emotion, advising Picard in diplomatic situations and being a therapist, which is all useless in an action film. So she ends up being Riker's love interest. Crusher's skillset is treating the wounded, commanding the ship when the rest of the main cast is incapacitated, and dancing, so she has nothing to do really either.
It would've been Tasha Yar's time to shine though!
IIRC, there was an entire deleted subplot about her leaving the Enterprise to become the head of Starfleet Medical.
And that deleted scene may or may not work well now that we know Beverly left Starfleet and disappeared from her friends for over 20 years. She must have changed her mind FAST after relocating to Starfleet Medical, maybe after learning she'd gotten pregnant.
Also in general they both got very short changed in TNG's whole run.
One line of dialogue in the ready room in a deleted scene. "Beverly leaving to go to Starfleet Medical."
No, there was a deleted scene where Picard actually communicates with Beverly at Starfleet Medical.
I remember the line about it, the Wesley deleted scene and the Martin Madden scene but I don't remember seeing Bev in Starfleet Medical. Been a very long time since I've watched them or Nemesis as is for that matter.
The thing I always remember is there’s another attempted assault they filmed but cut from the movie.
Why the fuck they thought they needed to put Troi through that twice is beyond me.
She gets mind assaulted (ill call it that) so many times in her on-screen life I've lost count. I have no doubt book writers found ways to keep making it happen in the books. But as far as I know only impregnated once against her will. (Don't make a Will joke. Very bad look in this context. I almost did but I didn't.)
I have said before that Beverly could have replaced Lily in FC. The one who gets paired off with Picard, is put off by his increasing brutality, and then goes in to tell him off since she knew him the best and she'd occasionally do that on the show. New characters are another issue in the movies since they eat up time that would otherwise go to the regulars.
I really liked the Lily's character and the actor was far above McFadden's skill, no offence to the latter. She had some great lines in a short amount of time that McFadden could not have pulled off. Plus it gave us a chance to see what a person from that era was like, whereas Cochrane is just a generic drunk, Lily is the kind of guerilla-engineer type of character that we see occasionally like Naomi Nagata in The Expanse.
It's not so much an unorthodox opinion as it is a head-cannon thing, but I like to think Lily is the reason that Earth armed up so quickly with a space navy between the events of FC and ENT (multiple Kzin Wars during that time notwithstanding). She'd actually seen a hint of what was out there and wasn't going to trust Earth's protection to the Vulcans once they established a presence on Earth. Also, it doesn't appear like she actually saw any actual Vulcans while she was on the Enterprise and that had to have left certain questions..
Picard needed a new love interest each film. The Nexus gave him his dream wife (not Beverly, pretty telling) then Lily, then Anij. The Picard show made up for his lack of Romulan love interest in Nemesis.
Picard and Beverly is such a terrible pairing, it has never been compelling in the slightest and no reasonable writer would ever give them children. I submit that as my potentially unorthodox opinion.
Picard and Beverly is such a terrible pairing, it has never been compelling in the slightest and no reasonable writer would ever give them children. I submit that as my potentially unorthodox opinion.
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