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they were not replacements. Westerns had a long happy life ahead of them on TV

You completely missed the plot of Toy Story.

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Oh, and looking at the production paperwork, according to the episode status report dated August 29, 1966, only “The Man Trap” had actually been completed. The show debuted on NBC 10 days later, and before that in Canada. They may not even have had anything else ready but "The Naked Time" by the deadline.
I could see the problem with that, i.e. the first episode showing it to be a time travel show by discovering it.
 
That isnt what we saw... rather, the Vorta would have surrendered to save themselves, ordering the Jem Hdar into a suicide mission if necessary.

We did not witness the events that would have transpired had the Founders died. We did not see any of that. You're making assumptions to justify your position. It might have happened the way you say, but on the other hand it might not have.
 
That isnt what we saw... rather, the Vorta would have surrendered to save themselves, ordering the Jem Hdar into a suicide mission if necessary.
The Female Changeling was ready to die and leave her standing orders to fight to the death while committing to the genocide of the Cardassians. The Vorta and Jem'Hadar obey the orders of the Founders as a command from the Gods.

FEMALE CHANGELING: You may win this war, commander, but I promise you, when it is over, you will have lost so many ships, so many lives, that your "victory" will taste as bitter as defeat.​
Not for long. Once they ran out, theyd become helpless within days as we also saw.

It would be only a matter of time, so the Federation could simply retreat and run the clock down.
ADMIRAL ROSS: Ben, we've driven the Dominion back into Cardassia Prime. We can keep them bottled up there indefinitely.​
CAPTAIN SISKO: What if they use this time to rebuild their fleet?​
GENERAL MARTOK: He's right. The Dominion has displayed an ability to build ships at an impressive rate.​


GENERAL MARTOK: It will be a glorious battle.​
ADMIRAL ROSS: But a costly one. Estimates project our casualties to be as high as forty percent. There's no telling how much higher they'll go once we send in our ground forces.​

He made no such condition, and even if he did then all evidence showed that the Changelings would never honor it with solids.
I don't think Odo would have agreed to link with her and spread the cure if her first order afterwards would have been telling the Jem'Hadar and Breen to open fire.

Odo: Don't worry, Garak. She won't try to escape. She's agreed to stand trial and accept responsibility for what she's done.​
 
The Female Changeling was ready to die and leave her standing orders to fight to the death while committing to the genocide of the Cardassians. The Vorta and Jem'Hadar obey the orders of the Founders as a command from the Gods.
Only while the Changelings are in command, and there is a chance of victory.

As shown, the Vorta would surrender otherwise, even if they have to order the Jem Hdar into suicide missions to make it so.
 
they were not replacements. Westerns had a long happy life ahead of them on TV, even surviving the rural purge by reinventing themselves continually. Yes Little House is a western. Yes, Dr Quinn is a western, and though forgotten Outlaws (1986-1987) is a time travelling western.

And sci-fi westerns weren't some gimmic Roddenberry had come up with. They'd been around since the 1930s. They might not make it into Campbell's Astounding as much since he had a formula, but everyone else was buying and writers could just change settings and names and sell an unsold manuscript to someone else. At 1/4¢ a word you do what you got to do to eat.

And people were buying
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Firefly=Space Western
It should have caught on. It would have caught on but for Faux Fuckery
In a way I'm glad we got what we got and no more. It will always be great because it never got much of a sophomore chance at disappointment. Maybe it would have been the next big franchise. That's ok.
 
Hmm. I'm wondering now if the darkness of TOS was partially because of the strong Western influence. My mom loved Westerns, so I grew up watching a lot of reruns of Gunsmoke, Bonanza, The Rifleman, High Chaparral, The Big Valley, etc. (Funnily enough, not a whole lot of Wagon Train.) That stuff could get dark as hell.
My folks loved westerns to the point I loathe them and refuse to watch the classic westerns. I do enjoy the occasional space western like Firefly, Battle Beyond the Stars or Oblivion.
 
In a way I'm glad we got what we got and no more. It will always be great because it never got much of a sophomore chance at disappointment. Maybe it would have been the next big franchise. That's ok.
Whedon had a pretty good track record at keeping a series well scripted as we saw with Buffy, the odds of it being the next big thing were good.

Faux likes to stab SF fans in the balls, I don't watch them anymore.
 
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