I'm not talking about the small alcove at the back of the bridge with the display table. I'm talking about the actual tactical situation room modified for the Xindi mission in Season 3, on a lower deck.
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They also refused to render Shield Impacts except for certain times when it was necessary for "Plot Armor".
Otherwise, they treated StarFleet ships like they had no shields for "Cost Reasons" because render farms back then weren't nearly as powerful as what we have now.
They can also have Fighters, Drones, or other enemies move to other positions so that you are never safe, no matter where you turn.
It's just a matter of how you want to setup the fight and what you have to deal with.
Thankfully, that's not something any of us will have to worry about.
As for the complexity of a space battle, I'd say the gold standard is The Battle of New Caprica from Battlestar Galactica. It strikes a pretty much perfect balance between clever planning, emotional stakes, and visual clarity. Anything that going beyond that becomes so complicated that it will lose the audience.
A space battle should serve the story and heighten its drama, not drown it in unnecessary complexity.
If the viewer needs a technical manual to follow what's happening, something’s gone horribly wrong.
Do you mean this "Situation Room"?
That's not the lower deck room I'm referring to, but yes, that's the alcove at the back of the main bridge.
If you say so. I'm used to more complex battles, but hey, everybody has a different standard.
You would think so.
Everything should be shown clearly on screen as to what's going on the battle field.
NX Class Decks
Where is it on the ship?
I can't find it.
I remember this place now.
With DS9, if you are referring to "THE WAY OF THE WARRIOR", "SACRIFICE OF ANGELS", "TEARS OF THE PROPHETS", and "WHAT YOU LEAVE BEHIND", they were far, FAR easier to keep track of throughout all of them.
That DISCO one was too crazy and helter skelter.
Now THAT battle was just perfection.
This is the problem with this entire conversation. You are being incredibly arrogant and are coming across very badly. People have different opinions and tastes than yours, but you are handling it as though you just know better than everyone, you are more sophisticated than everyone, you just understand stuff that we don't. It's wearing thin.
I'm done with this discussion. I'm here to have fun talking with fellow Trek fans. You apparently want to suck the fun out of everything. I'll be back when we hit the next controversial topic. In the meantime, please consider adjusting your attitude and your approach to the conversation.
Have a good night.
It's not a matter of Good or Bad, but what is.
What shapes my taste is a bit different than what shapes your taste.
If that conflicts, I'm sorry. But I grew up on some different media.
My lived experience will obviously be different than yours to some degree.
So my perception of what I like to see on-screen will turn out to be different.
That could be a generational thing since what I seem to enjoy is different than yours
You considered the battles I've shown in Gundam 00 to be "Complex".
I consider it "Normal" from my PoV.
Different generations of people grow up on literally watching different media.
I've watched a ton of Anime growing up, still do to this day.
Especially Japanese Live-Action & Anime.
So my gauge for what is "Normal" to me will be different than what is "Normal" to you.
Like I said, different takes on what is fun.
You don't like my logic or realism.
I prefer shows to have as much logic & realism as possible within the bounds of it's fantastical universe.
Japan perfected it with it's takes on the "Real Robot" Genre that have spawned it's own franchises from it.
Doesn't mean it doesn't have crazy or fantastical elements.
Even Gundam has those, within it's "Realistic Settings".
Good Night!
I'm not exactly surprised at all the hate for Such Sweet Sorrow, Part II, but I feel like I have to jump to its defence by pointing out it's the highest rated Discovery episode on IMDb and also my own personal favourite. So it's probably doing something right.
I sort of feel that way about season 5. I feel like at that point they had their formula down pat so lots of stories are basically told in the exact same way. I also think Pillar might have been as involved that season. Probably working more on getting DS9 ready at that point. IMO Pillar is maybe the number 1 reason TNG was as good as it was. Not that he didn't have a bunch of talented writers working for him but he seems to be the one who understood the show the best in how it works and I feel he got away with stuff with Berman that Taylor,Braga,Behr except never did. Not until he sort of just gave up on DS9 at some point and Behr had more freedom to do what he wanted to do.
Oh it has pluses, don't get me wrong. I thought the writers were on to a winner by sending the Discovery to the 32nd century.
For another controversial opinion of mine... I think Maurice Hurley was definitely a better showrunner than Michael Piller. Season 2 is my favorite season of TNG and Hurley gave us a better version of the Borg in "Q Who?" than Piller did in "Best of Both Worlds."
This is gonna be my final take on this whole mess, because this is turning into yet another circular argument:
Everyone grows up with their own personal likes and preferences. Unfortunately, when one is producing a television show in a very collaborative medium, you have to bend to what is actually going to draw the most eyeballs in.
I guarantee that most aren’t going to care for the way some anime and manga series are structured - Japanese storytelling form is very different from western story arcs. You’re not going to get the leeway from an audience unused to that structure in a mainstream production, to say nothing of the “bum ache factor” with long and drawn-out action sequences. The studio would force that change long before reaching filming.
Unless you’re someone like Quentin Tarantino who has a track record of success and has earned the right of a blank check with minimal studio interference, you have to learn how to listen to the audience and studio and provide something they want to see.
Honestly, season 2 might actually be a worse season of TNG than season 1.
Regarding Michael Piller...
I don't think his contributions to the franchise can be overstated. Not only did he bring a stability in the writers room TNG didn't really have before (to be fair, Hurley had a lot more things working against him than Piller did), but he brought aboard writers that made a MASSIVE impact on STAR TREK. Moore, Behr, Braga, Menosky. Piller was also a great mentor for these writers, too. (For example, say what you want about Brannon Braga, but at his peak, he was really, REALLY good. The man had a fantastic imagination... possibly the most imaginative of the group.)
Plus, his policy of open submissions for episodes.
Hurley was great, too. But I think he just had too many things working against him to be as impactful as Piller was. Having said that, what Hurley was able to accomplish in those 2 seasons was amazing, and had a feeling, mood, and atmosphere that TNG never got back.
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I meant from an in universe argument. Klingons and Cardassians like those navy bridges too, eh?
Not really. The image is of an officer who was told to "look out the window" to analyze an alien ship. No view screen accuracy. No special equipment beyond Geordi's visor. If sensors are that useless then the inefficiency of sending the officer to a separate room to report what he sees.
Not sure why. I don't really use Apple
Now that's a take coming to play!
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