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Lorca was, for me, infinitely more interesting and complex a character as an emotionally troubled, morally ambiguous Starfleet Captain and not just a covert refugee from the Mirror Universe.
Yes, this! He was such a refreshing starship captain. Didn't care about exploration but simply about getting the job done, no matter how. He stood out so much against all the other captains, it made him an immediate favorite of mine. But noooo, they had to make him the mustache-twirling villain from the Mirror Universe. Such a missed opportunity.
 
I wouldn’t describe Lorca as ‘moustache twirling’. I think the character was nuanced enough to be able to shift him out of that territory. He was after all an MU character who was opposed to the tyrannical regime that formed the centre of the DSC MU.
 
But noooo, they had to make him the mustache-twirling villain from the Mirror Universe. Such a missed opportunity.
Is he really the villain, especially when you compare his actions to Emperor Georgiou?

To me, he's just the antagonist to Georgiou; but both of them could be equally considered villains.

There are no "Good Guys" in the Mirror Universe, just shades of evil.
 
Controversial Opinion:

Star Trek Into Darkness.

A very good movie.
That does seem like it should be controversial, but I checked to see where it ranked against the other Trek films and these are the results:

Rotten Tomatoes Critics - 3rd
Rotten Tomatoes Users - 3rd
Metacritic Critics - 2nd
Metacritic Users - 6th
IMDb - 2nd.

So Into Darkness is actually a critically acclaimed and beloved movie across the internet! Now if you'd said Star Trek: The Motion Picture was a good movie, that would've been controversial :p

(If you're curious, Final Frontier was ranked last by everyone, and first place is split between Star Trek II and Star Trek '09).
 
TNG was boring so I stopped watching. That is until years later when I got laid off and went on a watching spree and binge watched first TNG and then DS9. DS9 is so boring. I now love TNG. Then I binge watched all the movies. They all have their good points. Binge watching Voyager again now…darn Seven is so entertaining.
 
Controversial Opinion:

Star Trek Into Darkness.

A very good movie.
I can understand why critics and others think it's a good movie.

BUT...

I don't think it's a good Star Trek movie.

I understand the movie (and the Kelvin Timeline as a whole) was an attempt to bring in new fans and get a general audience to watch Star Trek again. So as a science-fiction big-budget action movie, I can understand how people can like it and find value in it.

But I remember going in to Into Darkness hyped because I genuinely enjoyed (2009), thought they would build on that, and I remember wanting to like it but leaving the theater thinking "this didn't really make me want to watch a third film." Because, to me as someone who has lived with Wrath of Khan for 3 decades before Into Darkness, everything felt like it was inferior and sat in the shadow of the original.

And in the places where it doesn't sit in comparison to Wrath of Khan, I don't think Into Darkness does itself any favors by doubling-down on the same plot threads from (2009). Spock and Kirk still aren't on the same page, where they understand the worth of their friendship ... after that being a major part of the first movie. Once again, Kirk has to be motivated by daddy issues to find Khan, by killing Pike. And, once again, the villain's motivations are vengeance for a slight done by someone with no connection to the main characters (i.e., at least in Wrath of Khan, Khan's quest to kill Kirk and destroy the Enterprise are motivated by actions connected to Kirk's decision to put them on Ceti Alpha V). The Kelvin Universe has 3 movies of villains seeking vengeance for slights where the main characters are like: "who the hell is this guy?"

I don't think it's a coincidence JJ Abrams made 2 Star Trek and Star Wars movies, and in both 2nd films they tried to use and bring back legacy villains that a significant number of fans felt didn't work. I also think that's seen in how it didn't ultimately sustain a fandom and caused Paramount not to continue the Kelvin Timeline stories in any way after Star Trek Beyond under-performed when it was released (even though an argument can be made it's the best movie storywise of three Kelvin films). The excitement for the property had fallen.

If people want to be honest as to why there hasn't been anymore Kelvin Timeline stuff (either movies or TV shows), Paramount can read a spreadsheet. They could see a dropoff in the numbers and realized it made no sense to spend $300 million on a film, where you would have to give the returning cast raises to resign them, when both the movie industry is changing (to more streaming) and the interest in that particular IP had fallen.
 
If people want to be honest as to why there hasn't been anymore Kelvin Timeline stuff (either movies or TV shows), Paramount can read a spreadsheet. They could see a dropoff in the numbers and realized it made no sense to spend $300 million on a film, where you would have to give the returning cast raises to resign them, when both the movie industry is changing (to more streaming) and the interest in that particular IP had fallen.
That's on Paramount and not the films.

They completely wasted the time between 09 and ID and Beyond. I think that the Kelvin Universe is great, it takes the characters through a really interesting journey and I think audiences would be there for it. But, well, wasted time is more precious than the spreadsheet.
 
Got a new one:
People who insist that you call them a Trekker instead of a Trekkie are more deserving of the negative connotation of Trekkie. :angel:

(Personally I don't really care what you call me, as long as it's not disparaging!)
 
Did I misunderstand the Klingons in Discovery, right at the beginning?

I assumed that the 24 houses of the Klingon Empire looked physically and culturally very different because they assimilated their enemies adding their biological distinctiveness to their Genome via marriage and other stuff.
 
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