Nor do I expect them to be.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I agree in principle.
Then again, being able to celebrate First Contact Day on april 5th (and to tell ourselves that it's only 40 years away now) is also kind of fun.
PICARD: A missile complex? ...The date? Mister Data, I need to know the exact date.
DATA: Stardate minus zero zero zero 1
PICARD: minus 1?
RIKER: The day before First Contact.
Could have worked too, I suppose. (though it probably conflicts with other sources on when stardate 0 is supposed to be) .
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That reminds me. The 100th anniversary of Star Trek is only three years after First Contact Day. I can't believe that I'm going to be around to see Star Trek turn 100.
It was a Good Thing that ENT never attempted the Romulan War, because that would’ve killed the series sooner – regular viewers aren’t interested in the Romulans, and nerdy superfans would’ve been constantly raging with all the continuity violations required to make the conflict viable as a televisual spectacle.
ENT would’ve done better had a memorable, interesting villain / antagonist alien race been introduced in the pilot. Except we got the Klingons again and little green men in red leotards.
ENT would’ve done better had a memorable, interesting villain / antagonist alien race been introduced in the pilot. Except we got the Klingons again and little green men in red leotards.
Back in the day, I hoped for a series that would show how the Federation came into existence, against the backdrop of the Romulan war, but not necessarily show that war itself. A series that showed how species which initially distrusted one another, were forced to band together, and decided later on to make it a permanent alliance, having won each others' mutual trust.
I still think it's a shame we didn't get that, even though we got a few elements of it in S4.
I still think it's a shame we didn't get that, even though we got a few elements of it in S4.
Thank you.
Some fans want it to be The Godfather but with starships. Stop wanting prestige entertainment and just try to be entertained by what it actually is.
Woltz to engineering: Beam that horse head out, now !!!
The closest we've gotten.
whaaa? I didn’t post that…
My apologies. Something must have gone wrong with using the quote function and cutting and pasting. I'll correct it.
no prob. How odd
I dunno, I liked the Romulan connection in the fourth season Vulcan pon farr testosterone episode. I would have liked to see more involvement like that, that was the Normal Way Romulans operated rather than an all out confrontation.
as far as introducing new bad guys, I suppose that’s what the Sulaban were supposed to be. But it didn’t work out very well, except for the appearance of CSI’s Lady Heather as a Suluban chick.
I had a hard time with a race whose skin appeared to be the equivalent of that particle stuff that they spray onto ceilings. Except for when Reed pretended to be one. Heh.
as it turned out the Suluban we’re not really the bad guys at all they were just hired by the bad guy, who was portrayed in shadow by James Horan, who portrayed a multitude of Star Trek aliens.
I did rather like the way the temporal Cold War was finally put to sleep, but it was too bad that they killed off the main Suliban. It would have been interesting to keep that character around as an occasional ally.
but when it comes down to it, my beef with enterprise was the redesign of several alien species. Particularly Tellarites and Nausicans, who originally had mouths that appeared to open like a flower petal in TNG/DS9.
I thought Star Trek continues Did the proper thing with Tellarites, by keeping the pig snouts.
there was a fan show or actually is a fan show called hidden frontier that you can watch on YouTube where the Tellarites all wore those pigs snouts that you could buy from Disneyland at the magic shop on Main St., I thought that was totally brilliant.
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I want that. Or Lawrence of Arabia with spaceships?
Yes. Give me characters to care about, engaging stories and a little optimism. Entertainment first and foremost.
I wish they'd kept the cloven hands as well. Five fingered Tellarites don't look right to me.
That horse left the stable with TOS, which was considered "special" and "groundbreaking" beyond its TV roots. As a result, every ST series to follow scratched and clawed at trying to "up" the would-be "groundbreaking" stories (no one asked for) and climb that mountain TOS conquered long ago. In the end, most post-TOS (i.e. Berman Trek - forward) comes off as creatively fresh and inventive as an After School Special screaming "look! we're doing a relevant story!".
Changing the course of a genre and innovation cannot be planned like some politician's 1st day agenda. The producers of other ST series did not understand that, hence the rapid way the law of diminishing returns infected ST for decades.
"Patterns of Force"
If anything, the people in charge of making it need to understand that too. They should accept it for what it is as well, and add to the narrative of it instead of continuing to feel the need to re-align, correct, re-interpret, and constantly update what's come before.
I'll add my own controversial opinion: The most successful franchise in the history of media features a super-soldier from World War II dressed in the American flag, a giant green rage monster, and a Norse alien with a magic hammer. Marvel largely didn't alter the fundamental aspects of their characters or feel they need to make them more "believable" for modern audiences with messy and convoluted justifications. They said here's a talking raccoon and tree. Live with it.
If modern audiences are willing to accept all of that, they'll accept a story whose foundation is a TV show with cardboard sets, blinking lights, and 1960s goofiness if it's a good story.
That's a rather disingenuous argument to try to 'prove' the blinking lights and cardboard sets wouldn't at all be an issue for modern audiences considering Marvel absolutely did not put the silver age tin can looking Iron man suit on screen, they said hell no to Captain America's old swashbuckler boots and the scaly mail shirt and reduced the silly wings sticking out of his helmet to decals (while also ditching the helmet entirely for most of his scenes), did their best to keep Thor from actually wearing his winged helmet and just flat out refused to use Hawkeye's comic book costume at all. Plus they entirely redesigned the Shield Helicarrier, rewrote Tony's backstory and altered his personality, tried to softball Asgard as technologically advanced aliens who merely call themselves gods, erased Thor's human identity entirely, tossed Tony's secret indentity out the window, merged multiple Iron Man villains into one guy, and completely redesigned the Chitauri. And that's just up to the first Avengers movie. They've continued making changes both major and minor ever since.
Anyone who thinks Marvel didn't go to a great deal of effort to properly adapt their decades old characters for modern audiences is just showing ignorance of what the source material was actually like.
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