The TOS theme is actually pretty lame and cringey.
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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Especially the ruins of the Post Atomic Horror. SNW showed us either actual footage of or dramatic recreations of the nuclear exchange of 2053 but some glimpses of cities damaged or destroyed would be interesting.
The only prequel I really like is Better Call Saul. Even though I liked Discovery from the beginning, I agree with the general consensus that the show works better in the 32nd Century. And, going into a fifth season, Discovery will have now spent more time not being a prequel. So I can't really say that I count DSC.
Strange New Worlds? I don't even need to go into spoilers. I'll just say I like it more for the characters than the actual stories. I treat it more like a reboot than a prequel. If I treat it like a prequel, then I can't ignore the fact that the women are all going to be greatly diminished and marginalized in about a decade. Not a great thought.
Nothing can be done about a show from the 1960s, that's just the way it was and you have to get passed it to enjoy the series, but I expect a show from the 2020s to not adhere to that and thankfully it's not.
That sounds pretty anti-climactic. Especially if you spent four or five years invested in those characters.
The only way that premise works is if it's a series about the Enterprise-C, where you go in knowing it's going to be destroyed. Then the season after that is trying to figure out what happened to them. And then maybe you can do something with Tasha Yar.
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There's nothing to forgive. All storytelling is making things up.
The rule for why TOS changed its mind as it went along should apply always, including now, going forward in canon. They changed their mind because, for whatever reason, they thought that the new way worked better than the old way. They weren't always right, sometimes they were dead wrong (see Spock/Droxine), but that's what it was. Why else does anybody change their mind?
In the TNG premiere Data was from the Starfleet Class of '78. By the end of the first season the year in which the series took place was firmly established as 2364. So unless Data is over a century old(spoiler: he wasn't) they retconned the calendar for the new series and did what TOS did. Adjust as it went along.
Could he have meant the year 2278?
That was my point. He's not over a century old and it was later established he wasn't even activated for the first time until 2335.
Oh well ....
Trek does that a lot, especially the earlier series. Before canonical dates were established for the TNG Era and you could extrapolate TOS dates from those the official studio-approved reference guides and the franchise either spitballed a rough time frame or just said "In the 23rd Century" or something like that.
Yeah I get that. I just always put stuff like this down to people being people and mistakes happen in the creative process.
Or a class of 78 graduates? It was a small year
You should sit in the corner, and think about what you've done!Or a class of 78 graduates? It was a small year
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Or just changes. And I know that word in of itself is considered near anathema in Star Trek. But, the simple fact of the matter is that fully recreating what has gone on before requires not just a willingness to reasonable care but also a willingness to ignore what has come before in any sequel material, because it wasn't present when the original was made so a prequel can't acknowledge that necessarily. And the original already impacts how people view the material. It's like asking a band to recreate their first album.
I don't know if this is controversial...
I want the next series, after PICARD ends, to have NO use of or connection to any legacy characters. I was talking with my wife about this last night, and we both agreed that it feels the Kurtzman era is afraid to create a show without the safety net of the previous eras.
I want the next series, after PICARD ends, to have NO use of or connection to any legacy characters. I was talking with my wife about this last night, and we both agreed that it feels the Kurtzman era is afraid to create a show without the safety net of the previous eras.
That'd be refreshing. Trek has become a very small insular universe unlike in TOS where it felt huge and unexplored.
I want a ship out on its own exploring like the OG Enterprise with a crew that we've never met before. Far away from Federation territories and the usual enemies and allies.
As Uhura told Mr. Scott once, "It's a big galaxy."
Given the bite back by some segments of the audience their reticence is understandable if annoying.
But, yes, I want a full clean break. 100 years post Picard.
I used to think that the next show should focus on the Lost Era between ST VI and TNG season 1.
But after talking with my wife last night, I see her point on it being too irresistable on the producers' part to do callbacks and easter eggs.
So I have decided on nothing of the Lost Era should be used or referenced. I think the last time we could have really gotten that era done and not have any complaints about the look of the technology or any other argument was around the time of ENTERPRISE being produced... a time that has long since passed.
But after talking with my wife last night, I see her point on it being too irresistable on the producers' part to do callbacks and easter eggs.
So I have decided on nothing of the Lost Era should be used or referenced. I think the last time we could have really gotten that era done and not have any complaints about the look of the technology or any other argument was around the time of ENTERPRISE being produced... a time that has long since passed.
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Agreed. I think the biggest thing with easter eggs and call backs is that the connection for the writers and producers is far different than the fans, and it can't be any other way. So, the production team include these call backs because they find them nice little nods to the continuity while not necessarily having the same intensive emotional attachment that fans who have looked at those details again and will.
So, going in to a new era, with limited connections and no legacy characters, is perhaps the best bet to getting production teams and fans close to being in the same chapter of the book; they will never be on the same page.
Agreed. And particularly now, since there's a 700 year gap between PICARD and DISCO season 3 onward, there's unlimited potential in terms of what they can do.
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