A franchise that is only for a select group of people will die out.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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You mean sci-fi fans who like both hard science fiction and social commentary AND goofy escapism and action? Because they were present in 1966 and they're still here.
What’s wrong with that?
For my money, that's too elitist , especially in a show that supposedly values diversity.
I value real diversity too. What the show preaches has nothing to do with the real world. It’s just a tv show.
It’s a shame Enterprise was cancelled early (especially since it got more real views than nu-trek). We could’ve had the Romulan War and the formation of the Federation. Nice place to end it. But they couldn’t leave it alone. There’s an alternate universe where this happened I’m sure.
Maybe it’s like Fantastic Four. The studio had to crank out a movie every few years to keep the rights. In this case, they gave the keys of the Kingdom to a guy responsible for Tom Cruises Mummy and a Transformers movie. Now we have Lower Decks. Sad.
Trek was never meant for some "select" high-brow group of people. That's looking at the past through rose-colored glasses and ignoring how the industry works. Look at the huge strategic and rather aggressive marketing approach with getting TNG into widespread distribution, the tens of millions of viewers, the hundreds of millions of dollars in ad revenue over the course of the series. Its huge popularity and financial success led to two more series going to production in a relatively brief timespan, and the market being flooded with Trek paraphernalia. And I bought a lot of it at Target. Target!
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I guess they hit the bullseye...
I'm not talking about what's on the show. I'm talking about having people from all walks of life and background having a Star Trek show that they can enjoy. Not just for the elite few. That's the diversity I want, in the real world, people coming together to appreciate and enjoy a work of fiction, not just for the uber-elite SF fans.
And plenty of literary science fiction elitists look down their nose at all Star Trek. The whole franchise is very very 'lite' as actual science fiction, often downright preposterous. From the very beginning it's been action-adventure entertainment in futuristic trappings. Let's enjoy it for what it is.
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Yes. Star Trek has always been pompous, pretentious, and self-aggrandizing.
But everyone should be allowed to participate.
But everyone should be allowed to participate.
And yes, even the most beloved and popular series can be pompous lectures some of us don't want to hear. But that's the beauty of Trek. It has moral lessons to teach in addition to being silly fun set in the depths of space.
Star Trek was never "for a select kind of people." It was always produced for the widest possible audience.
If anything, current Trek is for a more "select group" if only because it exists, like most streaming entertainment, on the basis of attracting a much more limited audience than in past decades. Fewer people watch streaming Trek than any previous versions.
There is a kind of trufan-ish conceit that these things used to be more intelligent or pitched to a more intelligent or sophisticated group of people than they are now. Not only is that not so, but the very way in which the notion is promulgated is evidence against it.
FWIW @Nenya I'm older than you so it ain't about "hip". I love Star Trek. I love all the "nuTrek" shows. I don't watch things I don't like - I gave up on both Voyager and Enterprise, for example. You are entitled to your opinion, but please don't act like those of us who disagree with you are wrong or stupid.
Yeah, I think we used to say that about TNG and those sequel series when they first came along. Every age has its own myopic and unjustified snobbery toward the new.
"ENT is hot garbage. How can anyone like this stale crap? Romulans couldn't possibly have had cloaking technology 100 years before TOS! Stop watching this travesty!"
Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Every decade has fans who feel their Trek and their vision alone of Trek is the real one. Got tiresome then and it gets boring now.
Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Every decade has fans who feel their Trek and their vision alone of Trek is the real one. Got tiresome then and it gets boring now.
Equally if not more so obnoxious are insinuations that anyone with a criticism or just a general disliking of a contemporary (re)imagining is a fuddy duddy or - more charitably - simply "behind the times" (which, by extension, implies that all such disapproval is equally silly and/or born of unthinking hate and therefore worthy of being swept into the same pile).
Criticism is fine but saying new Trek is embarrassing, or not as good as the old series is lacking anything meaningful for me to grab on to. Probably because it's emotions regarding both that I likely don't share. So, say new Trek isn't like old Trek is a good thing to me.
And I'm someone slow to warm to TNG because it isn't TOS.
And I'm someone slow to warm to TNG because it isn't TOS.
He's been told this a million times before. If he doesn't understand it by now, he's not ever going to.
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