What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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They're not "degenerate", they're uninteresting, a symptom plaguing most of the characters on the show that aren't recurring. I know the showrunners have tried valiantly to do fresh spins on old ideas, but sometimes this well-worn adage still applies: if it ain't broke, don't (attempt to) fix it.
Now that's a surprising comment, coming from the person who wrote this:
Then again, maybe not so surprising, coming from the person who wrote this:
It's one thing to say you don't like the characters. It's quite another to refer to them as "degenerate", which is not just a dog whistle, it's a dog siren.
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Beltran and Montgomery are the same.
Both were treated as an afterthought in the show, even though the backstories of their characters should have been able to bring drama to the show.
There were both good when they were given something to do, and at times showed the potential of the character each were respectively playing. In Montgomery’s case, they were “Detained,” particularly when he was talking smack to the Tandaran guard near the end of the episode. And “Observer Effect”, when he wasn’t playing Mayweather, but an Organian that possessed Mayweather. “Horizon” wasn’t bad either, but he was outshone by the guy that played Mayweather’s brother.
And both just so happened to get a girlfriend at the very end of the show, with no buildup to it.
Travis had the potential to be one of the show's most interesting characters. But not with Berman and Braga at the helm and writing.
Funny story, I actually worked with Montgomery's cousin-in-law briefly when I was in grad school. But I saw Montgomery on B-POSITIVE recently and he's leveled up his acting chops since ENT.
IIRC, the original breakdown for his character was that he was slightly older, more weathered space boomer. Someone Archer could rely on, similar to Bones for Kirk.
IIRC, the original breakdown for his character was that he was slightly older, more weathered space boomer. Someone Archer could rely on, similar to Bones for Kirk.
I believe the character had more experience being in space than the rest of the NX-01 crew combined. So obviously B&B sidelined him completely and gave him absolutely nothing of value to do.
It’s absurd isn’t it?
Yep. Born in 2126 aboard a low-warp Earth cargo freighter where he spends almost his entire life before joining Starfleet. He had a head start on everyone else in the senior staff except for T'Pol and Phlox.
A lot of experience being in space yes, and presumably with stuff like daily maintenance and such, but not necessarily with everything else: dealing with aliens, adapting to alien environments, and such. Those warp 1.8 hauls must have been very tedious affairs. With those kinds of speeds, you'd expect to reach an interesting port or planet about once a year, and I wouldn't expect random deep space confrontations to be plentiful, either.
That's still a lot more experience. It simply means he likely mastered stuff a lot of the crew only just started doing. That would leave Travis open to do more planet missions, alien contacts, etc.
You can't work on the advanced stuff until you've got a handle on the basics.
You can't work on the advanced stuff until you've got a handle on the basics.
Exactly. T'Pol had been to over 30 planets when she joined the Enterprise crew.
They really should had gotten a local star map and charted out the rough life and route of the ECS Horizon and so. I would expect a lot of stuff like intrasystem trade as well - from the middle to outer solar system, to Alpha Centauri (which has STILL not appeared in any Trek to my knowledge?) to stuff like Bernarnds and so, stuff they might drop in once every half year or year. (And honestly the ECS horizon looks wayyyy too small for comfort for that - the living section should at least be a bit bigger, even if its just a disc with a bridge on top).
Not sure how controversial this opinion is or isn't, but: Mayweather should have been the Captain, not the pilot. Archer should have been the pilot.
Archer was the worst captain we've ever seen and while that's largely down to the day to day writing, he also was not even properly built up to be captain in the first place. It was ridiculous that they gave near total control (because of how often they would be out of contact with HQ) of their most important mission ever to a guy with almost no command experience just because his dad invented the engine and he helped build and test it. That's not a qualification to be Captain. But it is a qualification to fly the ship, since he helped test that engine.
Meanwhile, Mayweather being a boomer and having lived his *entire* life in space, more or less, is exactly the kind of background you could have built a great and incredibly unique captain on (if only they had kept the original idea of him being older) and it would've made way more sense for them to look to someone with the most spaceborne experience possible considering the nature of the mission.
But in addition to better writing, that would also have required recasting. I just can't agree with the claim that Montgomery ever did any even remotely strong scene on the show. For my money he gave by far the worst performances from any actor ever to hold a main cast spot in the franchise.
Archer was the worst captain we've ever seen and while that's largely down to the day to day writing, he also was not even properly built up to be captain in the first place. It was ridiculous that they gave near total control (because of how often they would be out of contact with HQ) of their most important mission ever to a guy with almost no command experience just because his dad invented the engine and he helped build and test it. That's not a qualification to be Captain. But it is a qualification to fly the ship, since he helped test that engine.
Meanwhile, Mayweather being a boomer and having lived his *entire* life in space, more or less, is exactly the kind of background you could have built a great and incredibly unique captain on (if only they had kept the original idea of him being older) and it would've made way more sense for them to look to someone with the most spaceborne experience possible considering the nature of the mission.
But in addition to better writing, that would also have required recasting. I just can't agree with the claim that Montgomery ever did any even remotely strong scene on the show. For my money he gave by far the worst performances from any actor ever to hold a main cast spot in the franchise.
And was born in 2088, meaning she was already Spock's age in "The Cage(TOS)" by the time Archer is even born or thereabouts.
Archer was so badly underdeveloped. And he was meant to be series lead! Did he have any command experience prior to launching Enterprise? Did he even serve on another ship? All we get is test pilot to 2nd choice for starship captain after choice #1 blows up. And that's because of his dad and Starfleet Nepotism.
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