What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Reyman]

Discovery is starting to feel like a teen/family drama.

A new father who has just had a bunch of teens thrown at him to look after. Is unsure of himself and is trying his best to muddle through it.

A shy teen and her reluctant older mentor.

A teen with poor impulse control and who has found new love after being badly hurt.

The outsider who has never known what a real family is like and is reluctantly warming to it whilst simultaneously pushing against it.

Lots of crying and tantrums.

At this point in the season I'd be more interested in what a day in the life of Admiral Vance is like than anything going on with the discovery crew.

 

[Vger23]

Do people, outside of some silly youtube channels maybe, even use the "Gene's Vision!!!1!one!" argument anymore?
At least around here I can only remember seeing it used sarcastically.

Absolutely happens all the time. Look at other social media forums and it’s amazingly prevalent.

In my experience saying you don't like it for other reasons sees you branded as a toxic fan.

That’s not correct. Being an ass about things they don’t like and insulting the intelligence / dedication / tastes / etc of those who think differently gets them labeled that way, as well as taking personal shots at the creative team. There’s a huge difference.

 

[Lord Garth]

There are all kinds of things to look out for, when spotting a Toxic Fan. None of it has anything to do with a particular series... or even a particular franchise. All of it has to do with a set of attitudes and behaviors.

 

[RichT]

Not that I disagree with your main assertion, but the Defiant's impulse engines really aren't one of its problems:
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I know that's where they're supposed to be, but it's very much not where they actually are:

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I think it’s hilarious the way people have an almost religiously idealised idea of what GENE’S VISION actually was. I read Gene’s novelisation of TMP last picture and let’s just say, a large part of Gene’s vision boils down to sex. If all the incarnations of Trek were fully true to Gene’s vision, we’d have a whole lot more nakedness and boobies in particular, as well as ‘love instructors’ (they must be part of CANON cos Gene said so!) crew members having sex in public parts of the ship, Kirk getting boners on the bridge, etc etc. Frankly I’d be all for it. But it’s funny how people tend to cherry pick elements of Gene’s vision and forget the bits they aren’t so keen on. Trek fans are hilarious, I love us. Don’t ever change.

I'd be down with a hornier StarFleet life style.

 

[Mytran]

I know that's where they're supposed to be, but it's very much not where they actually are:

Okay, I stand corrected.
That's really weird!

 

[Amasov]

I don't think Threshold is as terrible as everyone says it is.

It's absolutely not one of the highlights and the concept is utterly preposterous, but, I find it to be a totally watchable episode from start to finish. It's not one I ever revisit, but, if it automatically played in my queue, I wouldn't turn it off either.

 

[kirk55555]

Enterprise season 4, while having some good episodes, is weaker than season 3 and probably on par with season 2. While Branon and Braga needed to leave, Manny Coto wasn't actually very good at the job, either. between Terra Prime and the augments stuff cloggingbup the season, I much prefer season 3. Also, having so many multi-part episodes really hurt season 4.

 

[Paul755]

Big time disagree, in fact I think having the 2-3 episode arc in Enterprise S4 was the perfect way to go and should be the template for “Strange New Worlds.”

You can still do stand alone bottle episodes in the TOS/TNG mode and then flip to do basically a mini movie. The problem is with probably only 13-15 episodes, doing something like that more than once would be tough.

 

[tomalak301]

Enterprise season 4, while having some good episodes, is weaker than season 3 and probably on par with season 2. While Branon and Braga needed to leave, Manny Coto wasn't actually very good at the job, either. between Terra Prime and the augments stuff cloggingbup the season, I much prefer season 3. Also, having so many multi-part episodes really hurt season 4.

The Vulcan Arc, The first two episodes of the Andorian Arc, and the Demons/Terra Prime arc was the best thing about Season 4. I actually think Season 3 actually ended with Home, from Season 4. It wrapped up the Season 3 story and jumped into the multiple arcs. With that said, Season 3 has turned into my favorite season over the years because it was the season with the most character development in the cast, especially from Trip, T'Pol, and Archer.

 

[Lord Garth]

Controversial Opinion: If you haven't seen TMP in the theater, you haven't seen it.

I didn't see TMP in the theater on account of being four months old. But last year, I saw it on the Big Screen at a 40th Anniversary Screening and my mind was blown away. It's a visual feast that television doesn't do justice to at all. Unlike other Star Trek movies, it was meant to be seen in the theater and loses something outside of it.

 

[tomalak301]

Controversial Opinion: If you haven't seen TMP in the theater, you haven't seen it.

I didn't see TMP in the theater on account of being four months old. But last year, I saw it on the Big Screen at a 40th Anniversary Screening and my mind was blown away. It's a visual feast that television doesn't do justice to at all. Unlike other Star Trek movies, it was meant to be seen in the theater and loses something outside of it.

100% agreed. The Motion Picture was spectacular on the big screen. It’s still not my favorite trek film, but it rose some in my rankings because of that night. That movie is one of the reasons I hope the pandemic doesn’t kill movie theaters entirely.

 

[fireproof78]

I think it’s hilarious the way people have an almost religiously idealised idea of what GENE’S VISION actually was. I read Gene’s novelisation of TMP last picture and let’s just say, a large part of Gene’s vision boils down to sex. If all the incarnations of Trek were fully true to Gene’s vision, we’d have a whole lot more nakedness and boobies in particular, as well as ‘love instructors’ (they must be part of CANON cos Gene said so!) crew members having sex in public parts of the ship, Kirk getting boners on the bridge, etc etc. Frankly I’d be all for it. But it’s funny how people tend to cherry pick elements of Gene’s vision and forget the bits they aren’t so keen on. Trek fans are hilarious, I love us. Don’t ever change.

Yeah, now I have that image for "Gene's Vision" arguments. I'm glad I didn't continue the novel after the horrid transporter sequence and all of sounds completely unpleasant.

 

[Annorax849]

DS9 season 3 is better than 2, but not by that much. In fact, it's probably the least striking improvement from S2 to S3 in all of "second generation" Star Trek.
(maybe not that controversial, but I do see people say DS9 improves significantly in Season 3)

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The original version of the season 2 TOS theme as sung by Loulie Jean Norman is hands down my favorite Star Trek TV show theme. The TOS-R version sung by Elin Carlson can't hold a candle to it.

 

[darrenjl]

Federation starships seem incredibly small and I'd like to see a proper working starship (not a moving starbase or 'city in space') that is a lot bigger than the Galaxy class.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Re Ent, I would actually say season 2 is the best season. Season 4 is overrated and as someone said, it's really only the Vulcan and Andorian arcs that I really liked. Season 3 was a daring experiment (at least by Bermantrek standards), but also *very* badly executed. The arc was unconvincing and poorly paced from start to finish and there wasn't really a single episode that stood out to me in a positive way at all.

 

[Silvercrest]

In DS9, the writers don't seem clear on whether Sisko's role was meant to be "Emissary from Bajor to the Prophets", or "Emissary from the Prophets to Bajor."

• One of Kai Opaka's very first references has him as "our Emissary", suggesting the former.
• Most references after that actually call him "the Emissary of the Prophets", which pretty much has to be the latter.

I think the writers' concept for him changed after the pilot episode. I didn't think this view was particularly controversial — but since no one else seems to share it, I guess it is.

 

[Vger23]

In DS9, the writers don't seem clear on whether Sisko's role was meant to be "Emissary from Bajor to the Prophets", or "Emissary from the Prophets to Bajor."

• One of Kai Opaka's very first references has him as "our Emissary", suggesting the former.
• Most references after that actually call him "the Emissary of the Prophets", which pretty much has to be the latter.

I think the writers' concept for him changed after the pilot episode. I didn't think this view was particularly controversial — but since no one else seems to share it, I guess it is.

I don’t think he was ever intended to be anything other than the Emissary of the Prophets to Bajor.

 

[Silvercrest]

The entire pilot episode plays as if the intent was the opposite, starting with Kai Opaka's line, continuing with him discovering the Prophets for the first time, and ending with him dickering with the Prophets on behalf of Bajor. At that point the Prophets do not know who he is, so it's difficult to see that he was meant to represent them. (Any references to predestination, Sarah, nonlinear birth, or whatever didn't come up until much later in the show and don't appear to have been part of the original concept.)

Later, however, it is as you say.

In my personal and controversial opinion.