I'm curious what version of TMP people like right now?
Eh, it was already screwed up by Northrop's request to skip F-19 so they could have F-20 for the Tigershark.Also look at the way the US military abandoned the sequential numbering of aircraft types for no particular reason. Since they started the joint service renumbering system in the 60s, we were doing fine up to the F-22 and YF-23
Preferably no material? Or no omitted material?The one with the least omitted material...and preferably none.
Preferably no material? Or no omitted material?
If it even exists, I'd prefer one that isn't so mind-numbingly slooooow...because that's my main problem with it. So much of the first movie was comprised of beauty shots with the Enterprise's outer hull, but after a few minutes I started thinking "Enough - I get the point already. Where's the actual story?"I'm curious what version of TMP people like right now?
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Reading online, I learned the film made $139 million, on a $44 million budget...and I just kept asking myself, "How is that even possible? The entire thing is boring beyond reason!" Maybe its because I was never a fan of the 1960s show, but that doesn't hold much water since I did end up enjoying some of the other films based on it.
I mean, TOS was Star Trek. There was nothing else, except some other shows. So, to many science fiction fans, this appealed. To many Trek fans this was huge.Reading online, I learned the film made $139 million, on a $44 million budget...and I just kept asking myself, "How is that even possible? The entire thing is boring beyond reason!" Maybe its because I was never a fan of the 1960s show, but that doesn't hold much water since I did end up enjoying some of the other films based on it.
All fair points I suppose, but I've tried to watch it more than once, and it just makes me want to fall asleep. From an historical view, it seemed (at least according to what I read) that Paramount mostly approved it while panicking, due to the unexpected success of the first Star Wars. As you admitted, the franchise had been dead for a decade besides reruns, and I also read that initially, some of the cast weren't too thrilled about coming back. It was a risky move on the studio's part, but I think they were just so determined to beat Lucas at his own game, that it overrode the rest of their thinking.Im going to say your initial lack of affinity to TOS is part of it. Another part is you obviously weren't there at the time of the theatrical release. It was 1979 which means:
1. There had been no live action Trek in 10 years
2. There weren't near as many movies released in 79 as there will be in 2024, so the movie going audience didn't have as many options to choose from
3. There were no other Star Trek movies to compare it to. Heck, there weren't that many science fiction movies to compare it to in terms of FX, time of release, etc...
Clearly TMP would not be as successful today as it was in 79
It was also a need to make back money. They had been in development hell over several film scripts, then the Phase II idea, then back to a film. So, a lot of time and money for no product to show for it. I don't think they necessarily wanted to beat Lucas, so much as they wanted to strike at a time when they thought they could actually make money on what was still considered a niche genre.All fair points I suppose, but I've tried to watch it more than once, and it just makes me want to fall asleep. From an historical view, it seemed (at least according to what I read) that Paramount mostly approved it while panicking, due to the unexpected success of the first Star Wars. As you admitted, the franchise had been dead for a decade besides reruns, and I also read that initially, some of the cast weren't too thrilled about coming back. It was a risky move on the studio's part, but I think they were just so determined to beat Lucas at his own game, that it overrode the rest of their thinking.
…but the 1979 original and 1983 Special Longer Version are edits I also love.
I'm curious what version of TMP people like right now?