What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

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  1. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Controversial opinion: I don't understand why this idea is more flawed than other Trek ideas. Interpersonal drama? Part of Star Trek. Dealing with corrupt leadership? Star Trek.

    The approach is far more a coming of age story in Star Trek and how people would grow. That's something we have only seen in small bits.

    But, I'm heavily biased. I've wanted an Academy series since I was 13. My favorite TNG episode is First Duty" and I read every Academy based book my library had.
     
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  2. Citiprime

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    Because I think the framing limits what you can do. Your characters are going to be mostly centered at the Academy, not on strange new worlds, boldly going where no one has gone before. Therefore, the conflict and drama is probably going to be interpersonal about romantic relationships and family drama. That's fine. But it doesn't open up a lot of possibilities beyond that.

    Beyond that, how many conspiracies within Starfleet are we going to do until it becomes redundant and stupid?

    If you wanted to do coming-of-age, it would make more sense to me to do "Starfleet: Year One." Basically, follow a main character in their first year after graduating from the Academy and build a show and characters around them acclimating to being a Starfleet officer.
     
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  3. Tallguy

    Tallguy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I've heard that one before.

    None more times.

    It could be the part of the crew that isn't the command crew. The newbies. The nobodies. Kind of the "Lower Decks" if you will. :D
     
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  4. fireproof78

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    Why?
    We passed stupid a while ago.

    It doesn't need a lot.

    It's a small idea. Explore that instead of bigger, more intense. Small stories are fine for me because the human element is the driving force.
     
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  5. Citiprime

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    Except for the people at DS9 being commissioned officers with a wormhole and another quadrant of the galaxy to explore. Not cadets with limited authority, fulfilling limited roles, operating around the Academy.

    Otherwise it's exactly the same.
    Exactly. It would be Lower Decks. Hence something that covers a lot of the same ground exact live-action and a little more serious.
    Why would Starfleet send cadets out to explore strange new worlds and boldly go when by definition of being at the Academy Starfleet doesn't think they're ready yet?

    It violates the very idea of the premise.
     
  6. fireproof78

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    Only in the limited premise you have created and insist must be the way an Academy series must be done.

    Space Cadet did it well. Starship Troopers did it well. There are interesting stories to tell if the assumption isn't a very narrow premise.
     
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  7. 1001001

    1001001 Serial Canon Violator Moderator

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    There could be all kinds of training missions.

    It’s not hard to imagine.
     
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  8. Commander Troi

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    The DIS episode with cadets having to learn to work with other species showed promise IMO. Stories about that, with the backdrop of the rebuilding of the Federation, sound quite interesting to me.
     
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  9. HotRod

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    Controversial Opinion: I'll give any Trek series a chance.
     
  10. Paul755

    Paul755 Commodore Commodore

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    Yes!

    the fact that too many dismiss “Academy” before they have even cast a single actor because they want the “Captain Seven power hour” instead is disappointing…yet not surprising.
     
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  11. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Disappointing how?

    Not all Trek is for all people.

    "I'm so disappointed in you... " :shrug:
     
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    Paul755 Commodore Commodore

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    True but it doesn’t hurt to give it a chance cuz you never know. I’ve said I don’t want “Legacy” to be a thing. But if it does happen, I’ll still watch. Maybe it will surprise me.
     
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  13. fireproof78

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    It doesn't hurt either way.

    Time is finite after all.
     
  14. Tallguy

    Tallguy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I know Picard 3 shocked the heck out of me. Oh, you meant in a good way. ;)
     
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    Season 3 was dumber than a clown car full of Paris Hilton sex toys. And yet, somehow, I enjoyed it. Go figure. Trek is an odd beast but as long as I'm entertained by it I'm cool.
     
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  16. Tallguy

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    Even Jonathan Frakes made fun of DS9s ad campaign "It waits" by saying "It sits".

    Fans who were complaining that a space station didn't "boldly go" didn't know about the wormhole. What don't we know about the academy series?

    Yes, they would have different issues to overcome. But we don't know what they are. I bet the writers do. Will they do a good job with it? Who knows? Will it make a damn lick of sense? Who knows?

    Can we hope?
    [​IMG]
     
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    "Is that Dr. Smith from the Jupiter 2 mission?"

    "DON'T MAKE DIRECT EYE CONTACT WITH HIS MUSTACHE."
     
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  18. fireproof78

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    Shaw: no.
     
  19. Qonundrum

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    Not a bad point, but it'd hopefully be more than just a repetition of a shiny new alien invader trying to take over Earth, which definitely would get redundant and stupid too quickly. But it's the academy, just have some of the ensemble go out for training missions, field trips, and so on? Especially with modern shows being 8 to 13 episodes per season instead of 26, and each season is 18~24 months apart...

    Remember "A Matter of Honor" and later stories that revolved around "student exchange program... in space"? Well, that can be done here. Have a couple episodes focused on one character.

    The occasional alien abduction issue wouldn't come amiss, but they'd have to one-up the trope and, the last time I recall the trope being used, it was in TNG and "Schisms" wasn't all that stellar of an episode... but being centered at a static location (academy barracks whatever) instead of a dynamic one (the Enterprise), it'd probably be easier to buy into.

    Did I mention that not all of the academy students are all going to be Wesley Crushers? Not sure what's worse; if none of them is, or if all of them are... :devil:

    Deep Space Nine (DS9) also started out about a confined space. Granted, it's the edge of the galaxy by a wormhole where aliens of the week can come visit, bicker, and/or take over the station... but the creators definitely added in a lot of character backgrounds and archetypes and, what seemed like a limited premise, had a ton more mileage than what people were thinking of at the time...

    ...then again, DS9 also realized it had to expand its lore as well and finally included a ship - the USS Defiant - albeit with some creativity as to how they brought in the ship, a prototype specifically designed to be built to battle the Borg but having issues that had the ship class kiboshed, with - in turn - Sisko turning a lemon into lemonade and that's what I loved most about the ship's introduction - how Sisko kept being creatively thinking... (Apart from when the writers forget that the ship will tear itself at maximum warp, so look up its maximum warp and forget that number for when they actually state "Engage at warp (maximum number). After all, the 1996 TNG flick through everything about the Defiant out the window too... But O'Brien can easily put in a throttle limiter to compensate, since nobody can tell the difference between warp 9 or warp 6 when looking out the window... now there's some headcanon, complete with the proverbial dandruff... :D )

    TNG had set some seeds in "Coming of Age", leading to fruition in "Conspiracy". DS9 had - if I recall correctly - "Paradise Lost". TNG also had that flick of "Insurrection", which could have handled Starfleet doing something evil a bit better... but it's a new production team now and a tad over a couple decades later.

    Not a bad idea; especially if characters in ensemble shows aren't always fleshed out right...

    Chances are, there's also the old contingency and/or joke about it being "teenage romance drama... in space" is the usual standby, of course... let's see 'em shuck off the clothes, boink like bunnies while showing as much sweaty skin as possible - especially for sweeps week (if those still exist), and focus on the ship. You know, their sex lives instead of a ship to explore strange new worlds with. :nyah::guffaw:


    Also, since the tangent is too tempting,


    I adore that scene. Even the shoulderpads - definitely am glad they didn't discard those by 1994, they work for the Romulans well and, indeed, are iconic...
     
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  20. BillJ

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    I think it will be quite a trick to make SFA interesting in an environment where everything is supposed to be perfect. But Tawny Newsome is working on it, so I'll definitely sample it.
     
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