Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.
Serious question: Why? And what other Star Trek do you like? I'm fascinated!
Enterprise was the first Star Trek I watched as an adult (from the beginning).
I like all of them with the exception of Picard and Discovery. I like the more down to Earth approach to humanity, showing the more savage and violent aspect of humanity - coupled with the hopeful idealism. Archer and the crew feel more like Astronauts and explorers, rather than the more militaristic approach I see Starfleet taking in the future.
If they can't respect it, then they should create their own original series. Oh, but that's hard, isn't it? And there's no built in audience for their efforts to aid in bankrolling a production. Don't think the reasons why poor writers can't respect canon aren't completely understood.
It doesn't deserve respecting. It is a tool to be used.
Also, your reply to me as a quote tag messed up.
Well that's your controversial opinion. But anything that created that kind of lucrative fanbase does deserve respecting. Unless you are a low talent showrunner who resents having to ride on the coat tails of something they couldn't create on their own, and so disparages it.
*Checks the thread* Yup, yes it is.
Why though? Star Trek has gone through long periods of ignoring, contradicting or just flat out denying it's status in various shows. If we take Roddenberry's own take TOS was no longer "Canon" but a dramatization of Kirk's logs that could be misinterpreted. TWOK was not canon because it was too militaristic. I am fairly confident that DS9 would be lambasted as well.
Ultimately, what it comes down to is that Star Trek is a product. You can buy it or choose not to. That's not a matter of respect. That's a matter of deciding to show support with your dollars.
And to attempt to answer your other post, no I'm not taking a "passive aggressive dig." I am stating my observation of what I have seen interacting with fans over the past several decades. The tendency to block things out that don't fit in to the prescribed box. The tendency to demand things fit perfectly because of what was said in one specific episode. It doesn't come across as respecting but far more as micromanaging, and demanding it line up or suffer the consequences.
Yes, the owners of the IP have every right to do this. And us, as the consumers, can ignore it. By all means, ignore it. It's not about respect at least from where I sit. Because a fictional franchise doesn't deserve respect. It is an inanimate object. Respect belongs to people. Otherwise, we might as well go back to paying homage to the pope's hat, to borrow an instance from history.
Mate, it is pretty well documented how far GR went to dissociate TNG from TOS and the rewrites to previous canon that came from that - surely if he was comfortable with moving things around to fit the needs of the story then so are those who came after him.
The shows all fit together 80-90% of the time so where is the disrespect? Where are people having it thrown in their faces?
End of the day this is entertainment and there will always be elements of tweaking to the needs of a story
Canon didn't create the Trek franchise.
Writers did. Starting with GR.
Canon is a tool, one of many, as well as being the hobgoblin of many an unimaginative mind.
I'm fine with SNW destroying the moral of TNG's Tin Man or having a peaceful first contact with Malcorians.
Some of my favourite episodes are alien-of-the-weeks like Persistence of Vision, Scientific Method, Course: Oblivion, and Bliss.
Have we had an elimination game based on them?
Not a controversial opinion, but "Course: Oblivion" is a great episode, and really it's fun to see Janeway snap like a ginger cookie in "Scientific Method."
I wouldn't have minded the other series do their own take on this. Picard not being able to taste wine or Earl Grey. Beverly's hair turns black.
There are those who claim that "Broken Bow" contradicts what i said about Klingon first contact in "First Contact."
I don't think so. But also, as long as they pay me I don't care.
Course: Oblivion is great! My only gripe being if I was getting married I'd certainly make use of the holodeck rather than the mess hall...
Can't recall how Garrett Wang felt about it but on Delta Flyers Robert Duncan McNeill really wasn't impressed by it which baffled me. That said, he also doesn't enjoy time travel stories which are my favourite so we must just have different tastes.
Exactly what I expected you to say
"Centuries ago, disastrous first contact", Klaang being shot by the first human he sees and 216 years are all the same thing.
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