What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

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  1. Ovation

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    Meh. Curt Swan Superman. José-Luis Garcia-Lopez Superman. Dan Jurgens Superman. George Perez Superman. Jim Lee Superman. Tim Sale Superman. etc. All look different-same Superman (within whatever respective continuities they appear--but visual appearance is not the determining factor). I see Trek in the same way--artistic licence with fictional stories.
     
  2. Enderprize

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    Along with the anachronistic Treknology in ENT.

    Also, to correct myself, this would have affected the Kelvinverse too, as Archer is mentioned.

    I loved the premise of ENT, but its execution was bland. Enterprise done in NuTrek style though? That would be cool.
     
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  3. Holopat

    Holopat Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    The only real Trek is TOS and I don't mean the movies either. A couple of the animated series may be okay. And there are a few moments in the TOS movies that are okay. But Star Trek, to me, is TOS. Only TOS.
     
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  4. fireproof78

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    I can get on board though I personally see no reason why other shows can't be enjoyed as Trek. Just multiple interpretations of the world.
     
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  5. cooleddie74

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    TOS is literal Star Trek. The rest is the Star Trek Universe which is also Star Trek, just not literally named "Star Trek" and that's it. So...yes and no.
     
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  6. Enderprize

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    Don't get me wrong, I agree. But with all the outrage regarding NuTrek's diversion from canon, why the controversy when retcons are built into the rules of the lore?
     
  7. fireproof78

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    Because strict literalism and black and white thinking are more common than people like to admit.
     
  8. Holopat

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    There were "credits" in TOS. People bought things. Space stations vendors charged credits. Vulcan traders and Harry Mudd made a living buying and selling things. Human miners worked hard in lonely environments. So the whole "no money" thing in post TOS series to me is just ridiculous.
     
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  9. Holopat

    Holopat Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    What Uhura couldn't have used fingerprints or retina prints or just entered her account information in some other way.
     
  10. Holopat

    Holopat Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I am no great fan of the TOS movies for many reasons, characterization of the main characters being one. I would have liked to see a real continuation of TOS.
     
  11. CorporalCaptain

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    No. See DS9, "In the Cards." They split the difference: no money needed on Earth, but the Federation still uses money. My post is in line with that. There is no contradiction in the use of credits both in the Federation and on Earth and what I wrote. None whatsoever.
     
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  12. Finn

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    Maybe in the 32nd, but not with 24th Century, seeing how the Galaxy Class starship was utterly powerless and as you said, pulled off a miracle getting out....

    What weird psychological manipulation?

    It was urgent. They couldn't wait for someone to send a person, which would take time and possibly bring some suspicions.
     
  13. gweeps

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    Yeah, even bartering is a form of commerce. Few folks will do something for the sheer good of doing it. There's gotta be something a little extra thrown in.
     
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  14. gweeps

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    This was true, until a franchise was born with TNG.
     
  15. Guy Gardener

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    1. (Errand of Mercy?) The very next line, Kirk says/implies there are no Vulcan Merchants, because Vulcan is a member of the Federation, and the Federation does not use money. Spock counters "No dude, you're wrong."
    2. Credits are used when Aliens conduct business with the Federation. K7 was on the edge of Federation Space, 90 percent of their business must have been with aliens.
    3. Harry is an ex patriot, but only when he feel;s like it.
    4. Selling Wives to men who have a whole planet to themselves, opposed to the crush of the homeworld where 80 billion are struggling to find air. The mining worlds could have declared independence, or never been part of the Federation, or the United Earth.
     
  16. Holopat

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    There’s nothing in TOS that says money wasn’t used on Earth.
     
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  17. Holopat

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    Not to me. The early TNG was just derivative. The rest of it I couldn’t stomach.
    That’s my controversial opinion. The only real Trek is TOS.
     
  18. Magic Maik

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    He did the ol' battered girlfriend/boyfriend routine. Got her in his office and basically called her character into question, really broke her down made her feel worthless, made it quite clear that there's absolutely no way for her to create a life for herself on his ship, totally unwanted. (...and denounced by the all great and all powerful Picard which would be on her record)

    When she asked whether it would be better to transfer out remember how Picard basically said that it'd just be passing on the problem to whomever and wherever she goes.

    Then she gets called in again to his office, Picard spins another yarn doing a complete 180 claiming that it was in fact he who was the one who "handpicked" her from all the others, even while knowing about the utterly disastrous time she spent at Star Fleet Academy, all this because he's such a sweet heart who "wanted to give her a chance to redeem herself" and not be a total disappointment and burden all her life.

    Like with a lot of bosses when they ask you to "volunteer willingly" it's anything but. Picard probably knew the affected persons who had lost family in the incident at Star Fleet Academy and made sure to "get even" for them by sending this young officer to her certain death.

    Would Picard send Riker on this fools errand, or in fact any one of his staff members? He didn't so no, of course not, that'd be lunacy! He naturally sends the inexperienced Bjoran woman with a back story (that wouldn't hold up under extreme torture) that she's a terrorist. Why?

    The hope was allegedly that while crossing into Cardassian space which IS being closely monitored, yadda yadda capture, (?) Something something escape pod which miraculously "floats back to the Enterprise". (?)

    Anyway, the preferred candidate, the young Riker, gets the promotion so all's well that ends well... I guess?
     
  19. CorporalCaptain

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    That's true for the series proper. But in the TOS films, in The Voyage Home, Kirk makes two statements that would support what DS9 says.
     
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  20. Holopat

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    I'm not a big fan of the TOS movies. Too often they changed canon just because it was either expedient or they were too lazy to either respect canon or even look it up. Again, that's my controversial opinion.
     
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