Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.
I LOVE THE TREK LIFE
I GOT TO BOOGIE
ON THE TRANSPORTER PAD
Sorry, data entry meltdown, there, for a spell.
And what about Discovery? That show got attacked, still gets attacked and has constantly been the victim of "That's not Star Trek, it's too woke and forced diversity agenda" and that is something I keep seeing online and the pile ons and gatekeeping from both sides of that argument.
And even the small amount of ST fans still far outnumber a lot of other attempted revivals of other I.P.s. STAR TREK is one of the highest grossing franchises ever.
(The fanbase was small for ENT, true. But I don't think the fanbase as a whole shrunk that much. Not when you have conventions and products being sold over the years since ENT ended.)
The phrase 'absence makes the heart grow fonder' truly applies to STAR TREK. A break was needed to bring it back to life again. Even if 09 failed, there would be a new series on at some point. We simply got it faster.
All that is true, but their ire is focused on PIC right now.
I'm sure it'll all revert to DSC when the fifth season premieres, but I've been fighting that battle for five years, and I'm taking a break. They have endless energy, but I don't. I'm not taking them on in The Disco War and The Picard War at the same time.
And, yeah, their Basher Energy is limitless. It's like it fuels itself. You'd think 40, 50, 60-year-olds would have more important things in life to hate. I hate hunger, I hate poverty, I hate racial injustice, I hate misogyny. They hate Star Trek shows. But whatever. More power to them that they can hate something so much that ultimately doesn't matter.
And the harsh truth is: I've wasted a lot of time, too much time engaging with them. They're ridiculous and I'm ridiculous for interacting with them. There were a couple of instances today where I just up and walked away from it. I'm glad I finally got to the point where I was finally able to do that. I should've done that a long time ago. I could be in there right now still arguing back-and-forth with them at this very minute, but I'm not. I walked away from it by choice by finally realizing, "This is ridiculous!"
I feel good about it.
Yeah, it's a small thing, it's not exactly much of an accomplishment at all, but sometimes it's all about the small things.
I have to be honest, but I don't see nearly as much "STD iZ TeH WoKe!!!1!" stuff out there as some of you are claiming. I see a lot of people griping about a lot of stuff, but honestly, that seems to be in the bottom 1/3 of reasons I see commonly sited across the wonderful internet.
I see lot of complaints about the writing, about the characters, about continuity, and about the inability of the serialized plotlines to be paced or end on a satisfying note for people far more than I see these kinds of complaints.
Unpopular Star Trek Opinion:
Star Trek does NOT need another "war" plotline. OMG I can't travel the internet or Twitter without seeing people crying for a Romulan War series, for example. Folks, we've had several "war" story arcs in Trek. It's been done. To DEATH. It's best left untold. I'm very happy with the future of Star Trek being PRO, SNW, and perhaps a new Section 31 spy thriller or a Starfleet Academy show to replace PIC. But, I have absolutely positively no interest in seeing Star Trek Wars again.
I do not think DSC gets made if the Kelvinverse films had not been successful.
The bottom third is not the same as no third. And I can't respect people like that.
Those I disagree with, but that's as far as it goes. Unless they cop an attitude. Then I don't have an issue with their complaints, I have an issue with their attitude.
But it's not the primary or secondary reasons I see most frequently. So, it may be out there, but it's in the noise.
Please don’t import that stuff to this forum.
Yeah, I kinda hated DSC so I stopped watching. Man, I liked PIC S2, the first two eps. Then — as we say up here in da yoop (Upper Peninsula of MI) — Holy wuh! But I don’t frequent their forums, or even really think about ‘em till somebody thinks em up
So, I’m pretty sure I want things to succeed, then see how they do.
Oh, and PRO might now be my second fave Trek show evah.
I am keen for a Section 31 based show. I really am and I like spy stuff in general so I'm down with that.
The only Section 31 material I'd like to see...is its destruction.
Those who want a Trek spy show, let it be Starfleet Intelligence. They're the only legitimate "spy" organization Starfleet has.
If Starfleet Intelligence can't get it done, it doesn't deserve to get done.
I don't think the idea that the ST fanbase is large enough to pour a lot of resources and advertising into a streaming revival is fundamentally verifiable if there is no ST09 or if ST09 bombs. I think you're understating just how small the fanbase had gotten by 2005 and how long it had been shrinking and shrinking and shrinking. If ST09 and its sequels aren't there to prove there's still an audience for ST, I think it's just as likely Paramount looks at streaming and says, "We'll try making our own, but let's hedge our bets and not pour too much into it."
Ok. Hopefully the show shows it's being undone. This isn't about deserved. It's about intrigue and interest and the line of moral grayness. That's what intrigues me more that the strict black and white.
I'm keen to see this gray area of Star Trek, and perhaps a little more out on the frontier.
I'm in for a Star Trek spy show only if it stars Bashir and Garak
Whereas I'm very jaded and find it comforting in a twisted way that Starfleet and the Federation aren't anywhere near as high minded as they pretend to be. Real life doesn't work like that and neither does Star Trek's.
I don't know how much of it has to do with how dark a place I was in for the last several years, but "NuTrek" optimism has been a literal lifeline for me. I've seen stories of overcoming, of redemption, of making one's own way against the odds. DSC, PIC, PRO, SNW, and even LD have reminded me why I loved Star Trek in the first place and have gradually rebuilt my hope that humanity will survive and that we deserve to. They've helped me come back from a place of cynicism to where I'm willing to have hope again. And yes, inspire me to work towards that future.
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