I'm applying morality to the situation. If I get something from you, end of the day, if it comes down to it, I owe you something in return.
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I'm applying morality to the situation. If I get something from you, end of the day, if it comes down to it, I owe you something in return.
There's no way after everything that happened in that episode that Kirk didn't turn the car around and go pick up that communicator afterwards. He just wanted to make a joke first.
At least, this is what I believe.
Fair!
"Dammit, Jim, aren't you remotely worried?"
"Eh. Let a random starship captain 100 years from now worry about it. Or maybe not, depending on how things develop."
"Eh. Let a random starship captain 100 years from now worry about it. Or maybe not, depending on how things develop."
Recon is not taking something from those worlds. Taking an artifact, for example, and I would agree... though that shouldn't be done, either.
Information is nothing?
If we include Enterprise in the discussion, there is almost never a reason to go planetside. You can literally spy on the people from orbit. TNG had the ability to look across the galaxy at people.
Obtaining information is the whole reason an organization like Starfleet exists.
Information is not nothing, but that's not taking something from those prewarp worlds.
And by your logic, since information gathering is the purpose of Starfleet, they can just send out probes everywhere instead of ships.
Obviously, it's not about just doing that or we'd never see a starship in any show... just probes and people looking at screens on Earth.
It actually is, because it is something someone on Earth or elsewhere in the Federation wouldn’t have access to otherwise.
Information is power.
No, it isn't taking something from them. Lesrning about, yes, but not taking anything from them.
In any case, that isn't the issue here. Whether or not Starfleet should be interfering with other prewarp societies IS.
And TOS and Kirk never, ever adopting that attitude is part of why the original Trek is still, to me, the best of the franchise. It was rougher and cruder, but damn, did it never spend 40 minutes at times preaching about Federation superiority to cowed and intimidated natives.
From “Friday’s Child”
Of course this doesn’t apply if we decide we want to violate your territory in the name of exploration.
Picard would have taken an entire soliloquy and made Teer Akaar feel like absolute shit afterwards.
Picard would have taken an entire soliloquy and made Teer Akaar feel like absolute shit afterwards.
I think Akaar and Maab would’ve teamed up to behead Picard.
Picard could talk Tyr Anasazi into a crying ball of weeping .....
Roddenberry, Coon, Fontana and that whole team gave us gold, even when that gold was kinda shit.
Theatrical 60s directing and acting styles might have aged a lot better than newer styles. I've been rewatching both Mission: Impossible and Star Trek recently and both can turn middling scripts into ludicrously good entertainment purely through the production.
I was rewatching Return of the Archons in bed the other day and it's amazing how effortlessly it holds your attention for a full hour even though the plot is objectively nonsense and the resolution is unbelievably weak. The same script might have floundered badly in TNG, but in TOS it somehow all clicks together.
I was rewatching Return of the Archons in bed the other day and it's amazing how effortlessly it holds your attention for a full hour even though the plot is objectively nonsense and the resolution is unbelievably weak. The same script might have floundered badly in TNG, but in TOS it somehow all clicks together.
Even when they stumbled, it still ended up being entertaining. I think, for me, that is what truly makes it a great series.
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