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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Yeah, and my mom made me turn off Bosom Buddies. That doesn't mean either show is just as edgy as what is on today. I'm sure people back then would have been scandalized by what Trek gets away with today.
"Edgy?" Seriously?
I had nightmares from the stupid Remmick scene and Picard shooting himself. Nothing has to do with "edgy" and more to do with actual content of the show.
Yep. I was still young enough not to really be aware of the whole Phase II thing, but was super-excited about TMP when it turned into that. Bjo Trimble’s blue-covered Star Trek Concordance with the neato reference disk thing built into the Enterprise saucer section on the cover was pretty much my favorite, most-read book on my then-meager shelves.
Gary Mitchell's eyes staring directly into the camera and knowing that he can see Kirk on the bridge remains the scariest moment in all of TOS for me.
I just thought of something regarding Harry Kim's rank.
Maybe it was indirectly his own fault. Because of "TUVIX".
When he practices his clarinet, The Doctor calls him up and asks for advice, which he then decides to go there himself, and is apparently instrumental in creating the isotope solution to separate Tuvix. He was also the one who handed the hypospray filled isotope to Janeway.
Her actions there clearly haunted her, but it might not have been possible if Kim didn't lend that help. She feels that eternal guilt... so as retribution for being put in that position and having to live with that eternal guilt, she decides to keep him an ensign forever.
(I am sort of joking, but thinking about this actually makes me wonder now...)
Maybe it was indirectly his own fault. Because of "TUVIX".
When he practices his clarinet, The Doctor calls him up and asks for advice, which he then decides to go there himself, and is apparently instrumental in creating the isotope solution to separate Tuvix. He was also the one who handed the hypospray filled isotope to Janeway.
Her actions there clearly haunted her, but it might not have been possible if Kim didn't lend that help. She feels that eternal guilt... so as retribution for being put in that position and having to live with that eternal guilt, she decides to keep him an ensign forever.
(I am sort of joking, but thinking about this actually makes me wonder now...)
Myself included, though not specifically TREK....except one. Something weird was happening to Uhura which had recently happened to a less appealing SPACE 1999 character, and it DID unsettle me. I wouldn't see that 1999 episode for decades, so I forgot about that particular connective tissue for quite some time.
After ALIEN was released, I dreamt I knocked my kid brother's head off. My aunt eye's had somehow dropped out in another dream, and my real-life guinea pig had three separate demises: falling off the bureau and breaking into two solid puzzle-pieces, silently screaming another second time, then getting strangled by a boa constrictor I foolishly let in after it knocked on the door. (Since you brought it up.) So I was clearly psychologically worried for Little Ace Woopwoop.....the pig in perpetual peril.
Then there's my dream-cameo in an actual 1978 Tommy Lee Jones film thriller, the trailers of which scared my and my brothers enough for us to literally hide behind the sofas. I've said far too much, but PM me if you'd like more non-TREK specifics.
Yep! I've still got mine!
Controversial opinion: ENT's series finale wasn't *that* bad.
It's not a masterpiece, and it was really bad style to overshadow the ENT crew with the Riker/Troi plot, but it's far from the disaster many feel it is, imo. I'd probably give it a 5 or 6 out of 10.
And if ENT hadn't ended with that episode, but if it had been shown somewhere mid-season, I suspect it might even have become quite popular.
It's not a masterpiece, and it was really bad style to overshadow the ENT crew with the Riker/Troi plot, but it's far from the disaster many feel it is, imo. I'd probably give it a 5 or 6 out of 10.
And if ENT hadn't ended with that episode, but if it had been shown somewhere mid-season, I suspect it might even have become quite popular.
I get that it was seen as disrespectful to ENT by involving TNG characters. I disagree, but I see it. But whatever I thought of the actual episode I thought this would be a great bow (not a broken one) on the series.
All Good Things and Endgame played the trick of jumping forward in time. ENT had the unique advantage of having a future time that people had actually seen! From the start the conceit of the series was "This is the history of the Federation!" What better way to wrap it up than by someone from that future looking back at that history?
Add that to the fact that I'm sure Berman saw this as not just the finale to ENT but to Berman's Star Trek. That last shot of the Enterprises brings a tear to my eye every time. (They should have given the NX-01 part of that a lot more weight. But I think the last shot of the Enterprise-D goes too fast in All Good Things as well.)
Execution? 6 or 7? Concept? 10 out of 10.
I think if we’d have actually seen Archer address the Federation worlds at the end instead of cutting away out of the holodeck (at least, that’s how I remember it happening - haven’t seen it in many years), it would have made for a satisfying ending. Instead, it felt interrupted, getting forced back into the “Pegasus” sideline.
Also, Trip really isn’t dead - in one of the LDS alt-universes anyway…
Also, Trip really isn’t dead - in one of the LDS alt-universes anyway…
I have to agree. I had been a fan of "The Wrath of Khan" when I first saw it. But my opinion of the film has declined over the years. I don't hate it. But I don't love it. In fact, I barely like it, if I must be honest.
Perhaps it would have been better if instead of shoehorning it into the last season of TNG, they set it after the series. Say, instead of being about the events of "The Pegasus", this was about Riker finally deciding whether to accept a captaincy after TNG ended.
Not sure what difference that would that have made?
Same here. I used to really like it but the last time I watched it, I actually found myself thinking "Meh. The first movie was better." I don't know... maybe it's the whole generally somewhat overused Trek movie formula of "evil guy holds grudge against captain" that has become tiresome to me.
I think that and not killing Trip would have gone a long way. Also, Riker watching it as history was genius. Watching as history to resolve a TNG plot was not genius. Don't give Riker stakes!
Oh, Wrath of Khan is still genius. I went into kind of a valley where I thought "Maybe this isn't so great after all". But no, it's amazing. It's not Lawrence of Arabia (Lawrence of Arabia is barely Lawrence of Arabia) but it's nearly perfect. Certainly on its own terms.
I have more joy watching Wrath of Khan than any other Star Trek film. (I love TMP and it ties with TWOK for my favorite, but "joy" is not what I get out of that film.)
Has Star Trek learned all of the wrong lessons from it? Ohhhhh yes.
I went through a similar thing with Aliens where I started thinking "Eh, this isn't so much". Then we watched it a few months ago and I thought "There is not a piece out of place in this movie. It's a Swiss watch of a film."
Agreed. Because Pegasus has its own timing and pacing because there is an actual crisis brewing. These Are The Voyages lacks any of that urgency.
They do not meld well nor is it additive.
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The producers thought they were doing something grand by connecting the series that began the Trek TV renaissance to what appeared (and in fact, was) the final series of the era.
It was a nice thought, if a clumsy one. As was so often the case in the later shows, they crashed and burned in executing the premise.
It was a nice thought, if a clumsy one. As was so often the case in the later shows, they crashed and burned in executing the premise.
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