More an observation: the 32nd century Federation has a harder edge (understandably; and that arguably brings it closer to TOS). Ni’Var is having to put down insurgencies; in the old days a planet still having insurgencies to stop probably wouldn’t be eligible for Federation membership.
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You can’t fight wars by only using magic doors.
TransWarp Beaming wasn't a simple afair according to ST:ID books.
Step 1) Khan transported from: Earth -> Cargo Station in Earth's orbit
Step 2) Khan transported from: Cargo Station in Earth's orbit -> Unmanned Vessel in orbit of Luna
Step 3) Khan transported from: Unmanned Vessel in orbit of Luna -> Qo'noS.
He burned out his TransWarp Beaming Device using that massive burst of energy by traveling to Qo'noS.
TransWarp beaming isn't practical if you have to burn out your tech to do it along with using the entire energy of a StarShips engine, even if it's for a moment.
Also, how will you get back to where you came from?
If the other place doesn't have a similar setup, you just set yourself up for a one-way trip and hope that the other side has similar tech.
TransWarp Beaming sounds good as a "Special Ops" / "Spy Infiltration" technique.
Not good if you want to come back immediately should anything go sideways in your mission / objectives.
It was kind of 'future tech' because Elder/Prime Spock gave that tech to Scotty cuz in the future Scotty kinda prefected it.
So techincally Scotty just got his own transwarp beaming equation, just way earlier in his life.
Think it was a very light homage to The Voyage Home where Scotty gives the formula to that company manager for transparent aluminium.
Disavowed.
I have always wondered how much of the Romulan population Ni'Var (Vulcan) could take in, and what that would have looked like. Vulcan must have gone from having a fairly homogenous society (though Diane Duane's Spock's World said it was not so--there were some Vulcans who were more devoted to logic and Surak's way and some who were less so) to one that was abruptly less so, depending on how the Romulans were distributed across the planet. I can't imagine the Romulans would have wanted to give up their customs/ways any more than the Vulcans would have. The internal stress must have been considerable. By Discovery's time, they are still having problems. And if they are having insurgencies, who is putting down the insurgencies?
But also, since Vulcan was a desert world, what about resources like food and water? Could they have dealt with that many people without help? Did they have help?
^The reunification is more plausible if it was stated that the Romulans were living on the main Vulcan world plus all its others colonies. The perception that only humans have other human dominated colonies is farfetched and kinda arrogant.
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I've always wondered if the partition of Vulcan could be as homogenous as its been depicted? And the implications of what it means for the perception of Vulcan society.
If you look at the instances in our own history where a culture has underwent a partition, it's never been a situation where a 100% of the people on one side moved to the other side of a border or line and gave up their home and ideology. There were Muslims who stayed in India instead of becoming part of Pakistan, there are some Palestinians still living within the borders of Israel, and there's a Catholic minority living in Northern Ireland.
If something similar happened on Vulcan, there had to have been some "Romulans" that stayed behind. And it would either mean Surak's followers may have went fanatical and eliminated any believers in the "Romulan" way of life, or there were Romulans who lived on Vulcan in secret because their way of life would not be tolerated.
Either of those implications has horrific implications for what it says about Vulcan.
If you look at the instances in our own history where a culture has underwent a partition, it's never been a situation where a 100% of the people on one side moved to the other side of a border or line and gave up their home and ideology. There were Muslims who stayed in India instead of becoming part of Pakistan, there are some Palestinians still living within the borders of Israel, and there's a Catholic minority living in Northern Ireland.
If something similar happened on Vulcan, there had to have been some "Romulans" that stayed behind. And it would either mean Surak's followers may have went fanatical and eliminated any believers in the "Romulan" way of life, or there were Romulans who lived on Vulcan in secret because their way of life would not be tolerated.
Either of those implications has horrific implications for what it says about Vulcan.
It's not like Vulcan is ever portrayed as a paradise. They just consider themselves superior.
Its not really the same at all, but this post made me think of Dark Matter, and how they could transport into remote clones at another location and have the memories reintegrated or whatever it was they were doing. I forget, because I never revisited after it got cancelled prematurely lol.
With replicators being widespread, resources shouldn’t be such an issue anymore (though I certainly wouldn’t put it past Star Trek to just forget or ignore that). The cultural upheaval would have been tremendous, of course — which makes it very much to Vulcan’s credit that they went for it anyway. (They sure acted more nobly than the Bajorans did in a somewhat equivalent situation with the Skrreeans, in DS9.)
I would imagine the insurgencies are from both intransigent Romulan extremists and intransigent Vulcan “logic” extremists, with the overall planetary government trying to put both down to keep the larger overall peace. I think DISCO presented three main “types” of Ni’Varians: Vulcans, Romulans, and mixed “come on, these divisions are stupid, so cut it out already” people.
I have to defend the Bajorans' decision in "SANCTUARY". The Occupation of over half a century that basically stripped their planet of resources just ended only about a year and a half prior to the episode... they were in no shape to bring in millions of refugees. Especially since the Skreeans were offered an entire planet for themselves. Even if the Skreeans were excellent farmers, if the land itself they thought about going to is barren, they wouldn't be able to grow food.
The Skreeans, and Haneek in particular, were acting like brats. You're offered an entire planet (a good one, by all accounts) for yourself but you get pouty when you can't live on an already inhabited world that is still rebuilding from a devastating Occupation? I dislike them more with each rewatch, honestly. (I detest bratty behavior.)
I don't see how the Bajorans can not be considered 'noble' if they deny them access to Bajor when they barely have the resources for their own people.
Contraversial opinion? I like Trek for the sci fi and adventure episodes - not necessarily for war and pew pew, but for the fun genre conventions. I can't stand the heavy handed political stuff. They might be "good episodes" to watch once, but are not fun, and don't give me a draw to rewatch. On my TNG rewatch (first time in 20 years) things started slogging down during S3, and shortly into S4, after a fun Lore episode, the next one up is Suddenly Human - I actually remember it from being a kid, and I haven't continued, because I just have no interest in watching the moral conundrum that i know is to come. After watching The Defector, I felt the same way; no reason to desire to ever rewatch it. Once you know the twists, the argument and the outcomes, the political and morality based episodes become boring and pointless. IMO. YMMV.
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Even Vulcan has off world colonies/facilities. Vulcanis. P'Jem. Paan Mokar.
Maybe (though doubtful: what one tends to forget because of the usual Trek aliens-as-foreigners metaphor is that Bajor isn’t a country, it’s an entire planet) — but that kid did not deserve to be murdered for it, and he was.
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He wasn't murdered. He was warned multiple times to turn back (even ignoring his own mother's pleas), and he fired at the Bajoran ships. He shot at them first. The Bajoran pilots didn't even hit Tumek's ship... it apparently hit the trail of what was leaking from the engine, it ignited, and destroyed the ship. An accident. Tragic, yes, but it wasn't murder. Or do you think it's okay to just have shots fired at you and not fire back in defense?
Tumek stole a damaged ship, attempted to land in restricted territory, and fired weapons at other ships of said territory. And in doing so, he got himself and his friends killed. Tumek was, to be honest, stupid.
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