What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Kamen Rider Blade]

At the end of The Motion Picture, they mention to Spock they can take him to Vulcan in about 4 days from Earth.

That’s 4 days to go 16-light years, since Vulcan is established as being in the 40 Eridani A star system.

Just for argument sake, let’s say they weren’t talking about going to maximum warp when they mentioned taking Spock home, and maybe were going to do a slower cruising speed to Vulcan with that estimate. You might arguably still get a comparable speed to what the NX-01 was capable of doing, since it was a diplomatic mission where they’re trying to rush to Qo’Nos.

If you try to put TMP together with “Broken Bow,” it would imply Klingon space is a comparable distance from Earth as Vulcan. Although, that seems awfully close to the core systems of the Federation.

Using basic Pythagorean theorem & the map I linked above in previous posts.
It's estimated that the distance between Earth & Kronos on that map is ≈ 4228.36 ly or 4229 ly for short.

Assuming the NX-01 was going at Warp Factor 5 on the TOS scale, it would've taken 12,208.12 days to cover that trip, not 4 days.
That's ~ 33.447 Years.

They would need to go Wf 72.82 on the TOS scale which isn't happening.

For reference, using my Warp Factor Scale 3.0 which is just the TNG Scale uncapped & deleting the "Hand Drawn curve to Infinity" after Warp Factor 9.
Seriously, that was the goofiest idea for Warp Factor Scale 2.0, but I digress.

The NX-01 would need to hit Warp Factor 47.42699487 to travel from Earth - Kronos in 4 days.

Spoiler: Star Trek: Discovery S4 Plot Spoilers

Those are speeds that 32nd Century Warp Drives are supposed to be running at.

I estimated that USS Discovery could cruise at Warp Factor Wf 57-58 after Spore Jumping to near the hole in the Galactic Barrier on the far side of the Galaxy and having to Warp Travel the rest of the way to the Galactic Barrier Wall.

So NX-01 isn't even going to come close.

It's just simple that the Writers goofed up, or there was another hidden "Under Space" passage that leads from Earth to Kronos in 4 days that we don't know about.

Man, I love how ST: Voyager writers created "UnderSpace" and any random Warp Drive can accidentally fall into it if you know exactly where in Space it is and ride it out to cover massive distances quickly.

The beauty of such a "Plot Device" Short Cut is GREAT IMO.

It explains SOO much.

^_^

 

[Tiran O'Saurus]

It was first visited in TNG's "Sins of the Father" I think this is the only line about travel:
PICARD: Commander Kurn
KURN: Sir.
PICARD: We're changing course. Set coordinates for the First City of the Klingon Imperial Empire.

This is a stupid line. Why would a SPACESHIP need coordinates for a CITY, instead of, you know, the PLANET! And "Klingon Imperial Empire"? What kind of Empire ISN'T imperial?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

This is a stupid line. Why would a SPACESHIP need coordinates for a CITY, instead of, you know, the PLANET! And "Klingon Imperial Empire"? What kind of Empire ISN'T imperial?

The only time that would be relevant is if it's a city not attached onto a planet, but maybe floating out on a asteroid.

The only kind of Empire that isn't "Imperial" would probably be "The Borg".

 

[Citiprime]

The one I wasn't expecting... Jake meeting Jennifer in the mirror episode. This cut me up. I did not see it coming until I was watching it and he held her hands.

I remember watching that episode as a teenager and understanding both Sisko’s worry and Jake’s excitement. It’s your mom that you remember as a young child, a second chance to know her after being robbed of that, and yet Sisko is aware she isn’t the “real” Jennifer.

The argument I would make in favor of DS9’s “The Visitor” as a story and episode, is that I’ve seen very few works that capture that helpless feeling a family member feels when someone they love is dying or lost. Part of what bothers me and left scars on my psyche to this day was watching my mother try every way in the world to help my father, but also have to see her feel so lost and helpless too.

The moment where Jake, after sacrificing everything (his family, his writing, etc.) to try to save his father, only to break down into tears in Jadzia’s arms when it doesn’t work, just crystalizes that emotional state. And everything else in that episode reinforces it, where Jake is basically doing everything he can to help his dad, but somehow it’s not enough.

I work in healthcare. And I’ve seen it so many times where families experience the same thing. Where a family member is there doing EVERYTHING they can to help someone to be better, and yet they have to suffer watching them drift away.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The only time that would be relevant is if it's a city not attached onto a planet, but maybe floating out on a asteroid.

The only kind of Empire that isn't "Imperial" would probably be "The Borg".

The term can be used euphemistically, but that doesn't seem to be the case. It's a line that was screwed up in writing or acting,

 

[Nyotarules]

But with the Discovery future personal transporters, how do I beam myself into the next room without possibly ending up fused with the furniture that I didn't realize was in the spot that I couldn't see was there before materializing?

By the 31st century the tech should be able to avoid beaming organic matter into a wall, the floor, the ceiling, and the furniture. The Tech should look like magic from a 23rd century perspective

 

[Tallguy]

By the 31st century the tech should be able to avoid beaming organic matter into a wall, the floor, the ceiling, and the furniture. The Tech should look like magic from a 23rd century perspective

While some of Disco's tech made my eyes roll from a drama standpoint, I did have to applaud that they made it feel magic again. IIRC this was one of my initial objections to TNG back in the day.

How do you take tech that's impossible now and make it MORE impossible?

 

[B.J.]

So did Voyager just take alot of detours to explore the local region & gather resources before heading on a "Relatively" straight line home?

It seems that in the first year + change that Voyager visited alot of local spaces.

They wouldn't have known about all those other territories near the Kazon Space if they didn't go visiting them for one reason or another.

It seems like Voyager got side tracked on plenty of side quests.

Head canon, they got this a lot:
"Hey, can we cut through your claimed space?"
"No! Go around!"

 

[Tallguy]

Yeah, Voyager lost me very quickly when they kept running into the Kazon. Think about how quickly one could get out of the Federation. Days? Months, certainly. A sprawling technologically advanced nation of lots of worlds.

Voyager is supposed to be going as FAST AS IT CAN to get home. And they're still running into these clowns for how long?

 

[fireproof78]

By the 31st century the tech should be able to avoid beaming organic matter into a wall, the floor, the ceiling, and the furniture. The Tech should look like magic from a 23rd century perspective

Indeed, yes. If current cars can have sensors that slow my car down because it detects an object in front, then I imagine 32nd century tech having senors that say "It's safe to beam down."

Honestly, they should have that by the 24th century but it breaks in needs of the plot.

 

[Farscape One]

Yeah, Voyager lost me very quickly when they kept running into the Kazon. Think about how quickly one could get out of the Federation. Days? Months, certainly. A sprawling technologically advanced nation of lots of worlds.

Voyager is supposed to be going as FAST AS IT CAN to get home. And they're still running into these clowns for how long?

I don't think they were going 'as fast as they can' for most of its run. Mostly because of practicality... they had no way to get spare Starfleet parts, so they couldn't overdo the engines too much by going as fast as possible for too long.


Regarding running into the Kazon for over a year and a half... there are three things that kept them from getting away from their territory quicker.

1. "JETREL" - they took a 'significant detour' on the chance Dr. Jetrel could help cure Neelix of Metreon poisoning. It was a lie to do something else, but that still was going backward, basically.

2. "INVESTIGATIONS" - when the warp coils were fried by the hot plasma being vented. That took time to rebuild and repair. (Even though we never actually see it or hear about it later.) Same with "DEADLOCK"... though the damage to the ship was even worse, and THAT was glossed over completely by the next episode. (Not to mention the ship was SPOTLESS by the very next episode, too. But that's a different conversation.)

3. "RESOLUTIONS" - Janeway and Chakotay were in stasis for 17 days while The Doctor was looking for a cure. That's two and a half weeks of literally standing still. When they encounter the Vidiian convoy, Tuvok's log says 6 weeks have passed by. (This is the scene where Kim gets pissed on the bridge.) An unknown amount of time between that point and the actual Vidiian attack and Denara giving them the cure went by, but even if all that happened within a day, by the time Voyager went back to the planet, another 6 weeks would have gone by. So from the time of their initial infection on that world to them being cured, almost FOUR MONTHS have gone by. Due to this, I'm actually not surprised they encountered the Kazon one last time in the very next episode. (It also gives even more time for Seska to finish her pregnancy and have the baby and hatch her plan to capture the ship.)

 

[at Quark's]

Voyager is supposed to be going as FAST AS IT CAN to get home. And they're still running into these clowns for how long?

Thing is, going 'as fast as it can' isn't fast enough for Janeway. See this part of her Caretaker speech:

: ' ... as the only Starfleet vessel assigned to the Delta Quadrant, we'll continue to follow our directive to seek out new worlds and explore space. But our primary goal is clear. Even at maximum speeds, it would take seventy-five years to reach the Federation, but I'm not willing to settle for that. There's another entity like the Caretaker out there somewhere, who has the ability to get us there a lot faster. We'll be looking for her, and we'll be looking for wormholes, spatial rifts, or new technologies to help us. Somewhere, along this journey, we'll find a way back. Mister Paris, set a course… for home.'

In my view, she basically says here 'we'll sacrifice some of our immediate speed, we'll explore and interact with the region of space we're currently in, traveling in the direction of home, both because that is our directive, and because it ultimately may result in finding a faster way home .'

 

[Finn]

I don't think they were in Kazon's core region until later in second season. A while ago during a similar discussion in Voyager, I looked it up and it seems a large bulk of Kazon-centric episodes were in the middle part of the second season. And the Kazon appeared only twice in the first season. In the second season ,the Kazon we kept seeing was due to Seska wanting Voyager...

 

[Tallguy]

I don't think they were in Kazon's core region until later in second season. A while ago during a similar discussion in Voyager, I looked it up and it seems a large bulk of Kazon-centric episodes were in the middle part of the second season. And the Kazon appeared only twice in the first season. In the second season ,the Kazon we kept seeing was due to Seska wanting Voyager...

This is not the show runner's fault as such... Mostly... But I feel I was promised a different show than what we got. And for lots of reasons I did not give Voyager time to be the show that it actually was.

Turned out what I (and Ronald Moore) wanted was Battlestar Galactica.

So I apologize for my thumbless grasp of the Voyager timeline. But I did watch the whole first season. That's more than Enterprise got out of me.

 

[Farscape One]

I don't think they were in Kazon's core region until later in second season. A while ago during a similar discussion in Voyager, I looked it up and it seems a large bulk of Kazon-centric episodes were in the middle part of the second season. And the Kazon appeared only twice in the first season. In the second season ,the Kazon we kept seeing was due to Seska wanting Voyager...

That actually makes more sense than you think, because the Kazon got ALL their technology from the Trabe, and they weren't encountered until season 2's "ALLIANCES". Plus, multiple Kazon Majes were in attendance there, as well as in "MANEUVERS", implying all the Kazon sects were fairly close in distance to each other when Voyager was going through space in season 2.

The two appearances of the Kazon in season 1, "CARETAKER" and "STATE OF FLUX", could have just been special circumstances because of potential huge gains for the Olga and Nistrim. (Caretaker's array and Ocampa planet resources for the Olga, replicator technology for the Nistrim.)

 

[Mytran]

Here you go, I've fixed it based on a few lines I remember from a few of the episodes. The Gamma Quadrant races are hours apart, the Alpha Quadrant races are days apart, and the Delta Quadrant races are years apart.

The Romulan Neutral Zone is usually close enough for the characters to visit on the way to Betazed, so it makes sense for it to be days rather than years away. This puts Bajor a day's travel from Cardassia as well.

Parada was said to be an hour away from the wormhole for a Runabout in Whispers, which puts Dominion space close enough for the heroes to plausibly make it home in a battered shuttle in The Search.

And Voyager's trip maps fairly well to what happened each year if you resize the region to be half the size.

If those times from the episodes are to be believed, it would indicate that the Delta Quadrant has a lot of "subspace drag", the Gamma Quadrant a lot less and the Alpha/Beta Quadrant somewhere in the middle!

It could also be the reason why the Borg were motivated to develop transwarp conduits - it just takes too long to get anywhere, otherwise!

 

[Macintosh]

Voyager is supposed to be going as FAST AS IT CAN to get home. And they're still running into these clowns for how long?

Even given the figures in VOY: "Caretaker" Voyager isn't going "as FAST AS IT CAN". If it's over 70,000 lightyears from Federation space and it's going to take it 75 years to get home then it's barely averaging 1000c – around warp 7.9. Which is pretty respectable average speed for a starship to be maintaining over long periods of time, but Voyager is capable of certainly three and possibly five times that, at least in sprints.

 

[Farscape One]

If those times from the episodes are to be believed, it would indicate that the Delta Quadrant has a lot of "subspace drag", the Gamma Quadrant a lot less and the Alpha/Beta Quadrant somewhere in the middle!

It could also be the reason why the Borg were motivated to develop transwarp conduits - it just takes too long to get anywhere, otherwise!

I never considered subspace drag being a problem in the Delta Quadrant, but it makes an odd sort of sense considering how many anomalies were encountered, such as...

"NON SEQUITUR"
"DEADLOCK"
"REAL LIFE"
"GRAVITY"
"BRIDE OF CHAOTICA!"
"THE FIGHT"
"DRAGON'S TEETH" (Vaadwaur Underspace)
"SHATTERED"
"THE VOID"


Not to mention unusual space dwelling life, like a living nebula from "THE CLOUD" and "THE HAUNTING OF DECK TWELVE".

And a lot of the really turbulent anomalies seem to be past the Nekrit Expanse. I wonder if that is some kind of division line that stops subspace issues, at least the really off the wall ones.

 

[BillJ]

This is what people want Star Trek to be...

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...but it will never be that. If that is what you want, you need to go watch Futurama.

 

[Phoenix219]

Kirk being split into two bodies makes both Thomas Riker and Tuvix possible. And Tuvix's unfortunate demise.

I wonder. If Tuvix's pattern were stored, as it should have been, could he have been reconstituted the same way?

Yes, and Should - but that opens the door to why they don't revive any dead or injured crewman in the same way, and why entire armies of super soldiers, clones, or androids can not be created this way..... Crewman should have literal daily pattern backups as part of their daily safety and health routines. lol. Not to mention the fountain of youth, just save yearly genetic material in some type of suspended animation, and you can go back to that age any time u want!