What are the motivations of the New Kirk as Starfleet Officer?
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Maybe because he's still young and fresh out of the Academy, and perhaps because we've only really seen him in one situation where quoting the Federation's ethics wasn't going to be a dealbreaker.
I see so many people hating about characters that have hardly been fleshed out! We only just met these people. I'll reserve judgement on Kirk's motivations as a captain and person in general after 1 or 2 more movies. It's not really fair to be doing that after only one movie really.
Kirk seemed to be very aimless as a young man, riding his "hog" around Iowa. Many young people today find direction and purpose though joining the service.
There's also the possibility that Kirk was seeking a connection with the father he never knew.
As far as being Federation citizen preaching the Federation gospel, no we never saw a hint of that. But too be fair, except for prime Kirk's exchange with Captain Garth, prime Kirk wasn't overtly a Federation cheerleader either. Sure he might say "I'm/we're from the federation" in a official capacity, but in his own mind he was really from Earth.
There's also the possibility that Kirk was seeking a connection with the father he never knew.
As far as being Federation citizen preaching the Federation gospel, no we never saw a hint of that. But too be fair, except for prime Kirk's exchange with Captain Garth, prime Kirk wasn't overtly a Federation cheerleader either. Sure he might say "I'm/we're from the federation" in a official capacity, but in his own mind he was really from Earth.
Yevetha
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Maybe because he's still young and fresh out of the Academy, and perhaps because we've only really seen him in one situation where quoting the Federation's ethics wasn't going to be a dealbreaker."
Iassume they take philosphy courses in theAcademy, yet his mentality was pretty much the same as in Iowa.
" see so many people hating about characters that have hardly been fleshed out! We only just met these people. I'll reserve judgement on Kirk's motivations as a captain and person in general after 1 or 2 more movies. It's not really fair to be doing that after only one movie really."
As far as i am concerned DS 9 is the best Trek ever.
I dont need the Starfleet gospel.
I actually like the new Kirk.
You don't need to any of that to join Starfleet, IMO. Sometimes the motivation for people can be something as simple as just wanting to belong to something special or to take up an occupation that challenges them.
As far as facts go, the only thing we know is that Pike's brief speech convinced Kirk that he could do better with his life. That's no less a worthy motivation than someone else's desire to spread the Federation gospel, IMO...
Because he's written like a punk who gets lucky and has everything handed to him when he hasn't earned it---very much like many adolescent male fantasies yet with no substance.
Also, while Star Trek was meant to be popular entertainment it was also written with a nod to some credibility of character and was some thoughtfulness. ST09 was simply mindless popcorn eye candy.
ST09 has far more in common with Star Wars than with Star Trek being Star Wars hasn't any real depth either. And the film's creators themselves have openly said they felt Trek should be more like Star Wars.
No big mystery here.
^ That pretty much sums it up. 
^ That pretty much sums it up.
Yes it does. To quote the REAL Kirk:
"Bones, you're a doctor! You know pain can't be taken away with the wave of amagic wand! They're the things we carry with us, the things that make us WHO we ARE......."
The REAL Kirk had a moments in his life that made him who he was. And that is that he could overcome adversity by working hard in whatever he set as his goal, for success. Unlike ST2009's where he was dumbed down so todays kids which are mostly slackers, and to put it mildy lazy-asses, could get into the character. His motivation? I have no clue.
Yep, but I guess he wanted to tap the broader fan base rather than just fans of the film.
I said they "are mostly" not most....
I am confused, what does that have to do with my post?
Yeah there is but I think it could still be here because it is generally a TREK discussion, is it not?
Yevetha
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Yeah but he is going to be in videogame and is already on books too.
also he is the new Kirk, thats a pretty general theme.
I don't think the Federation has ever been truly utopian. But I'd still say that nuKirk reflects a more enlightened value system than many in life adhere to today. He obviously wants to improve himself -- but to do that, he doesn't pursue wealth, he pursues public service in Starfleet, he tries to do something as meaningful as his father's saving the crew of the Kelvin. He risks his standing in Starfleet (by challenging its authority structures when he thinks they're making horrible mistakes) and his life numerous times to save the people of Vulcan and Earth and to save his fellow officers.
And when Nero is defeated and in need of rescue from a black hole of his own creation at the end, he offers Nero mercy and assistance -- only turning his guns on Nero when Nero rejects his assistance and declares his continued intention to kill as many Federates as possible, necessitating that his ship be destroyed so as to prevent it from harming anyone else on the other side of that black hole if it should happen to survive a trip through a black hole yet again, as it did when it crossed over from the Prime Universe to the Nu Universe.
NuKirk may not be as pompous and stately, may be a little rougher and more informal, more working class, but his behavior still reflects a belief in an enlightened, egalitarian value system -- even if he's still maturing as a person.
Wow. Stereotyping, ageism, and elitism all in one sentence. Very prejudiced. Not very in-keeping with Star Trek's value system.
Then you weren't paying attention.
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