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What about the sleeves?

Cary L. Brown said:
Thing is, I'm ENJOYING this thread, and don't actually mind any of the posts, except for the obviously partisan tone of the "moderator" who's high-fiving it all. :rolleyes: And since moderators are people too.. even that's OK... as long as the bias doesn't leak over into ENFORCEMENT BIAS. Right?

Glad you are enjoying it, pal. :thumbsup:

And considering that PKTrekGirl recently gave me the first warning I have received in years (completely unfounded, naturally), your bias argument is a little weak (unless of course, you are arguing that she is biased against me, in which case you will only need to click on the "Warnings/Bans" feature to obtain said evidence).

And I have never read any of your PMs. That would be unethical. I may be a sarcastic bastard, but I am not unethical. Besides, most of your posts are too long for me to read, so there is no danger of my ever reading any of your PMs, even if they were sent to me, which they were not.

I hereby authorize any Mods/Admins (and the Federal Government) with the ability to read my PMs to verify this.

Just don't delete any of my links to porn.
 
ITL said:
In Bones' madness, he tucked his sleeves in a little too tight. He was quite snippy for the rest of the day, and would accost passers by to perform an impromptu Cranial Grabbage with associated Googly Eyes:

sleevesip9.jpg


(Yeah, it could look better. It's 12:28 at night and I'm flagging, OK?).

:D

Dude, your work is always top-notch! Keep it coming! :thumbsup:
 
Thank you! I've been contributing to the Photoshop thread in Gen Trek, but not for a few days. I..can't..stop..making..zombies....

:D
 
Well, if Mr. Abrams & Co. go with the "shorter-than-the-original-series" mini-skirts, let's hope they use the old fashioned 'lacquer-style' hairspray (like my great-aunts used to use) to hold the fabric to their derriere's a la Beauty Pageant Trick.

I know deep space is cold and dark and all that, so you gotta have something to look at, but jeez.... :eek:
 
Samuel T. Cogley said:
And considering that PKTrekGirl recently gave me the first warning I have received in years...

Have you ever received a warning before that? I was pretty startled, and can't remember another instance.
 
PKTrekGirl said:
Cary L. Brown said:Definitely an amusing thread! (Though it IS fascinating to find out just who's been getting the text of "poster to moderator" private messages shared with them, isn't it?
You know, Cary, this comment is so far into the realms of the paranoid that I simply cannot respond. :lol:
No, it's not. When a direct reference to a comment I made to you in a PM is made in a public post by someone else, it's not hard to figure out. And sweetheart, "that dog don't hunt" as you like to say.
Do you seriously think that Cogley and I, both of us professionals with serious careers, would be rushing right out to yuck it up over your PMs in our free time???? :lol:
Curiously, I never said WHO I was referring to, did I? How do you know I wasn't making a reference to Dennis, or to Kegek, or someone else? I didn't mention any names, now, did I? ;)

And you'll note that I'm not really objecting to Sam's post, which I stated quite clearly I found amusing. Just to references in SOMEBODY'S post to comments I made in a private message sent to you, and to nobody else... and thus things that person could NOT have commented on unless you'd passed it along. :rolleyes:

As for you being a professional... I have no idea WHAT you do. You're not exactly forthcoming about your own situation in life in your own profile, and you haven't told me... as far as I know you could be a neurosurgeon or you could be the manager of a ghetto by-the-hour hotel. I can ONLY judge people based upon what they share of themselves, and upon the behavior I see.

I get the impression that "Sam" is an actual lawyer, more by other comments he's made than by virtue of the name of his avatar. But again, I ENJOY his posts. I don't have a problem with good-natured ribbing, which is how I read the stuff he did based upon that thread.

It's not him I'm questioning in any case (though it's a cute effort on your part to steer my comment away from yourself and onto someone else!). I'm just curious about how comments I made in "confidence" to you somehow got included in someone else's post.
Surely you can't be serious. :lol:
You've been 100% clear that you don't like me, you stated that you consider me "the most disruptive person on the BBS" and that you have "special powers" to ban people at your personal discretion. So I'm not "paranoid" to think that you have a personal bias against me, am I? And based upon recent events, that you've shown that in the exercise of your "wonder twin powers" on here. It's not paranoia when someone has demonstrated that they're biased against you, and have even stated it overtly. Is it? :rolleyes:
No...I think the Boots Thread provided Cogley with all the material he needed, all on it's own. :lol:
Actually, it did. I wasn't ever really annoyed, even with the flaming I was subjected to in there. And I don't mind STC having a bit of fun. The ONLY part of that thread that I found objectionable, honestly, was the fact that you let a particularly nasty set of flames made against me go with a "nudge" while you gave me a WARNING in another thread for something that was, by no rational measure, "warnable." The only person who did something really BAD in that thread was YOU... IMHO, of course.
Besides, that PM you sent me was so long I didn't even read the whole thing myself. :p
Of course you didn't... (yeah, right) Short of the quotes, my note to you was very nearly the same number of words as the one you sent back. I had no trouble reading yours... of course, reading skills vary from person to person, I suppose.

As a moderator, aren't you REQUIRED to do that, though, as part of the job description? Especially when you make a statement "comments to PM?"

Look, I'm not asking for you to like me, and I'm not going to ask for you to stop playing with your pals in the "kewl kids clique" on here. I'm just asking for you to stop letting your personal bias against me carry over into your enforcement of the board rules. BE A MODERATOR, at least in the forum you're supposed to be moderating. If you can't be even-handed in your actions in here, or if you don't want to, ask to moderate another forum, or give up the moderator position. But I think you CAN be even-handed.

My issue with you is that you've shown OVERT BIAS. In this thread, I had no problem with anything... except for the fact that you (who have an OBLIGATION TO BE UNBIASED IN THIS FORUM) are so obviously partisan.

If I'd made a similar thread, mocking someone else on the board, you'd have me locked up in irons. If I'd made the sort of comments that Dennis made here, you'd have banned me (even though I might have, like him, not mentioned any names!)

I don't want anyone banned, or anyone warned, or anything else. I just want you to stop treating me, and a few others, DIFFERENTLY... just because we're not in your "little circle of friends." This thread is harmless and entertaining. Just be sure that you apply the same logic in letting this one GO (as I believe it SHOULD be let go!) to posts from the folks you, personally, don't like.

Do that, and we'll all get along famously.
 
ITL said:
OK, who gave Kegek the keys to the Total Perspective Vortex?

Zaphod Beeblebrox. He survived because he saw a fake one which showed him being the most important being in the universe.

I survived because I saw the real one... and I am. ;)

Great photoshop, incidentally. :thumbsup:
 
Samuel T. Cogley said:
Starship Polaris said:
I'd post...

"Well, Prince, so Genoa and Lucca are now just family estates of the Buonapartes. But I warn you, if you don't tell me that this means war, if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend, no longer my 'faithful slave,' as you call yourself! But how do you do? I see I have frightened you- sit down and tell me all the news."

It was in July, 1805, and the speaker was the well-known Anna Pavlovna Scherer, maid of honor and favorite of the Empress Marya Fedorovna. With these words she greeted Prince Vasili Kuragin, a man of high rank and importance, who was the first to arrive at her reception. Anna Pavlovna had had a cough for some days. She was, as she said, suffering from la grippe; grippe being then a new word in St. Petersburg, used only by the elite.

All her invitations without exception, written in French, and delivered by a scarlet-liveried footman that morning, ran as follows:

"If you have nothing better to do, Count [or Prince], and if the prospect of spending an evening with a poor invalid is not too terrible, I shall be very charmed to see you tonight between 7 and 10- Annette Scherer."

"Heavens! what a virulent attack!" replied the prince, not in the least disconcerted by this reception. He had just entered, wearing an embroidered court uniform, knee breeches, and shoes, and had stars on his breast and a serene expression on his flat face. He spoke in that refined French in which our grandfathers not only spoke but thought, and with the gentle, patronizing intonation natural to a man of importance who had grown old in society and at court. He went up to Anna Pavlovna, kissed her hand, presenting to her his bald, scented, and shining head, and complacently seated himself on the sofa.

"First of all, dear friend, tell me how you are. Set your friend's mind at rest," said he without altering his tone, beneath the politeness and affected sympathy of which indifference and even irony could be discerned.

"Can one be well while suffering morally? Can one be calm in times like these if one has any feeling?" said Anna Pavlovna. "You are staying the whole evening, I hope?"

"And the fete at the English ambassador's? Today is Wednesday. I must put in an appearance there," said the prince. "My daughter is coming for me to take me there."

"I thought today's fete had been canceled. I confess all these festivities and fireworks are becoming wearisome."

"If they had known that you wished it, the entertainment would have been put off," said the prince, who, like a wound-up clock, by force of habit said things he did not even wish to be believed.

"Don't tease! Well, and what has been decided about Novosiltsev's dispatch? You know everything."

"What can one say about it?" replied the prince in a cold, listless tone. "What has been decided? They have decided that Buonaparte has burnt his boats, and I believe that we are ready to burn ours."

Prince Vasili always spoke languidly, like an actor repeating a stale part. Anna Pavlovna Scherer on the contrary, despite her forty years, overflowed with animation and impulsiveness. To be an enthusiast had become her social vocation and, sometimes even when she did not feel like it, she became enthusiastic in order not to disappoint the expectations of those who knew her. The subdued smile which, though it did not suit her faded features, always played round her lips expressed, as in a spoiled child, a continual consciousness of her charming defect, which she neither wished, nor could, nor considered it necessary, to correct.

In the midst of a conversation on political matters Anna Pavlovna burst out:

"Oh, don't speak to me of Austria. Perhaps I don't understand things, but Austria never has wished, and does not wish, for war. She is betraying us! Russia alone must save Europe. Our gracious sovereign recognizes his high vocation and will be true to it. That is the one thing I have faith in! Our good and wonderful sovereign has to perform the noblest role on earth, and he is so virtuous and noble that God will not forsake him. He will fulfill his vocation and crush the hydra of revolution, which has become more terrible than ever in the person of this murderer and villain! We alone must avenge the blood of the just one.... Whom, I ask you, can we rely on?... England with her commercial spirit will not and cannot understand the Emperor Alexander's loftiness of soul. She has refused to evacuate Malta. She wanted to find, and still seeks, some secret motive in our actions. What answer did Novosiltsev get? None. The English have not understood and cannot understand the self-abnegation of our Emperor who wants nothing for himself, but only desires the good of mankind. And what have they promised? Nothing! And what little they have promised they will not perform! Prussia has always declared that Buonaparte is invincible, and that all Europe is powerless before him.... And I don't believe a word that Hardenburg says, or Haugwitz either. This famous Prussian neutrality is just a trap. I have faith only in God and the lofty destiny of our adored monarch. He will save Europe!"

She suddenly paused, smiling at her own impetuosity.

"I think," said the prince with a smile, "that if you had been sent instead of our dear Wintzingerode you would have captured the King of Prussia's consent by assault. You are so eloquent. Will you give me a cup of tea?"

"In a moment. A propos," she added, becoming calm again, "I am expecting two very interesting men tonight, le Vicomte de Mortemart, who is connected with the Montmorencys through the Rohans, one of the best French families. He is one of the genuine emigres, the good ones. And also the Abbe Morio. Do you know that profound thinker? He has been received by the Emperor. Had you heard?"

"I shall be delighted to meet them," said the prince. "But tell me," he added with studied carelessness as if it had only just occurred to him, though the question he was about to ask was the chief motive of his visit, "is it true that the Dowager Empress wants Baron Funke to be appointed first secretary at Vienna? The baron by all accounts is a poor creature."

Prince Vasili wished to obtain this post for his son, but others were trying through the Dowager Empress Marya Fedorovna to secure it for the baron.

Anna Pavlovna almost closed her eyes to indicate that neither she nor anyone else had a right to criticize what the Empress desired or was pleased with.

"Baron Funke has been recommended to the Dowager Empress by her sister," was all she said, in a dry and mournful tone.

As she named the Empress, Anna Pavlovna's face suddenly assumed an expression of profound and sincere devotion and respect mingled with sadness, and this occurred every time she mentioned her illustrious patroness. She added that Her Majesty had deigned to show Baron Funke beaucoup d'estime, and again her face clouded over with sadness.

The prince was silent and looked indifferent. But, with the womanly and courtierlike quickness and tact habitual to her, Anna Pavlovna wished both to rebuke him (for daring to speak he had done of a man recommended to the Empress) and at the same time to console him, so she said:

"Now about your family. Do you know that since your daughter came out everyone has been enraptured by her? They say she is amazingly beautiful."

The prince bowed to signify his respect and gratitude.

"I often think," she continued after a short pause, drawing nearer to the prince and smiling amiably at him as if to show that political and social topics were ended and the time had come for intimate conversation- "I often think how unfairly sometimes the joys of life are distributed. Why has fate given you two such splendid children? I don't speak of Anatole, your youngest. I don't like him," she added in a tone admitting of no rejoinder and raising her eyebrows. "Two such charming children. And really you appreciate them less than anyone, and so you don't deserve to have them."

And she smiled her ecstatic smile.

"I can't help it," said the prince. "Lavater would have said I lack the bump of paternity."

"Don't joke; I mean to have a serious talk with you. Do you know I am dissatisfied with your younger son? Between ourselves" (and her face assumed its melancholy expression), "he was mentioned at Her Majesty's and you were pitied...."

The prince answered nothing, but she looked at him significantly, awaiting a reply. He frowned.

"What would you have me do?" he said at last. "You know I did all a father could for their education, and they have both turned out fools. Hippolyte is at least a quiet fool, but Anatole is an active one. That is the only difference between them." He said this smiling in a way more natural and animated than usual, so that the wrinkles round his mouth very clearly revealed something unexpectedly coarse and unpleasant.

"And why are children born to such men as you? If you were not a father there would be nothing I could reproach you with," said Anna Pavlovna, looking up pensively.

"I am your faithful slave and to you alone I can confess that my children are the bane of my life. It is the cross I have to bear. That is how I explain it to myself. It can't be helped!"

He said no more, but expressed his resignation to cruel fate by a gesture. Anna Pavlovna meditated.

"Have you never thought of marrying your prodigal son Anatole?" she asked. "They say old maids have a mania for matchmaking, and though I don't feel that weakness in myself as yet,I know a little person who is very unhappy with her father. She is a relation of yours, Princess Mary Bolkonskaya."

Prince Vasili did not reply, though, with the quickness of memory and perception befitting a man of the world, he indicated by a movement of the head that he was considering this information.

"Do you know," he said at last, evidently unable to check the sad current of his thoughts, "that Anatole is costing me forty thousand rubles a year? And," he went on after a pause, "what will it be in five years, if he goes on like this?" Presently he added: "That's what we fathers have to put up with.... Is this princess of yours rich?"

"Her father is very rich and stingy. He lives in the country. He is the well-known Prince Bolkonski who had to retire from the army under the late Emperor, and was nicknamed 'the King of Prussia.' He is very clever but eccentric, and a bore. The poor girl is very unhappy. She has a brother; I think you know him, he married Lise Meinen lately. He is an aide-de-camp of Kutuzov's and will be here tonight."

"Listen, dear Annette," said the prince, suddenly taking Anna Pavlovna's hand and for some reason drawing it downwards. "Arrange that affair for me and I shall always be your most devoted slave- slafe wigh an f, as a village elder of mine writes in his reports. She is rich and of good family and that's all I want."

And with the familiarity and easy grace peculiar to him, he raised the maid of honor's hand to his lips, kissed it, and swung it to and fro as he lay back in his armchair, looking in another direction.

"Attendez," said Anna Pavlovna, reflecting, "I'll speak to Lise, young Bolkonski's wife, this very evening, and perhaps the thing can be arranged. It shall be on your family's behalf that I'll start my apprenticeship as old maid."

...a rebuttal to...

"Well, Prince, so Genoa and Lucca are now just family estates of the Buonapartes. But I warn you, if you don't tell me that this means war, if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend, no longer my 'faithful slave,' as you call yourself! But how do you do? I see I have frightened you- sit down and tell me all the news."

It was in July, 1805, and the speaker was the well-known Anna Pavlovna Scherer, maid of honor and favorite of the Empress Marya Fedorovna. With these words she greeted Prince Vasili Kuragin, a man of high rank and importance, who was the first to arrive at her reception. Anna Pavlovna had had a cough for some days. She was, as she said, suffering from la grippe; grippe being then a new word in St. Petersburg, used only by the elite.

All her invitations without exception, written in French, and delivered by a scarlet-liveried footman that morning, ran as follows:

"If you have nothing better to do, Count [or Prince], and if the prospect of spending an evening with a poor invalid is not too terrible, I shall be very charmed to see you tonight between 7 and 10- Annette Scherer."

"Heavens! what a virulent attack!" replied the prince, not in the least disconcerted by this reception. He had just entered, wearing an embroidered court uniform, knee breeches, and shoes, and had stars on his breast and a serene expression on his flat face. He spoke in that refined French in which our grandfathers not only spoke but thought, and with the gentle, patronizing intonation natural to a man of importance who had grown old in society and at court. He went up to Anna Pavlovna, kissed her hand, presenting to her his bald, scented, and shining head, and complacently seated himself on the sofa.

"First of all, dear friend, tell me how you are. Set your friend's mind at rest," said he without altering his tone, beneath the politeness and affected sympathy of which indifference and even irony could be discerned.

"Can one be well while suffering morally? Can one be calm in times like these if one has any feeling?" said Anna Pavlovna. "You are staying the whole evening, I hope?"

"And the fete at the English ambassador's? Today is Wednesday. I must put in an appearance there," said the prince. "My daughter is coming for me to take me there."

"I thought today's fete had been canceled. I confess all these festivities and fireworks are becoming wearisome."

"If they had known that you wished it, the entertainment would have been put off," said the prince, who, like a wound-up clock, by force of habit said things he did not even wish to be believed.

"Don't tease! Well, and what has been decided about Novosiltsev's dispatch? You know everything."

"What can one say about it?" replied the prince in a cold, listless tone. "What has been decided? They have decided that Buonaparte has burnt his boats, and I believe that we are ready to burn ours."

Prince Vasili always spoke languidly, like an actor repeating a stale part. Anna Pavlovna Scherer on the contrary, despite her forty years, overflowed with animation and impulsiveness. To be an enthusiast had become her social vocation and, sometimes even when she did not feel like it, she became enthusiastic in order not to disappoint the expectations of those who knew her. The subdued smile which, though it did not suit her faded features, always played round her lips expressed, as in a spoiled child, a continual consciousness of her charming defect, which she neither wished, nor could, nor considered it necessary, to correct.

In the midst of a conversation on political matters Anna Pavlovna burst out:

"Oh, don't speak to me of Austria. Perhaps I don't understand things, but Austria never has wished, and does not wish, for war. She is betraying us! Russia alone must save Europe. Our gracious sovereign recognizes his high vocation and will be true to it. That is the one thing I have faith in! Our good and wonderful sovereign has to perform the noblest role on earth, and he is so virtuous and noble that God will not forsake him. He will fulfill his vocation and crush the hydra of revolution, which has become more terrible than ever in the person of this murderer and villain! We alone must avenge the blood of the just one.... Whom, I ask you, can we rely on?... England with her commercial spirit will not and cannot understand the Emperor Alexander's loftiness of soul. She has refused to evacuate Malta. She wanted to find, and still seeks, some secret motive in our actions. What answer did Novosiltsev get? None. The English have not understood and cannot understand the self-abnegation of our Emperor who wants nothing for himself, but only desires the good of mankind. And what have they promised? Nothing! And what little they have promised they will not perform! Prussia has always declared that Buonaparte is invincible, and that all Europe is powerless before him.... And I don't believe a word that Hardenburg says, or Haugwitz either. This famous Prussian neutrality is just a trap. I have faith only in God and the lofty destiny of our adored monarch. He will save Europe!"

She suddenly paused, smiling at her own impetuosity.

"I think," said the prince with a smile, "that if you had been sent instead of our dear Wintzingerode you would have captured the King of Prussia's consent by assault. You are so eloquent. Will you give me a cup of tea?"

"In a moment. A propos," she added, becoming calm again, "I am expecting two very interesting men tonight, le Vicomte de Mortemart, who is connected with the Montmorencys through the Rohans, one of the best French families. He is one of the genuine emigres, the good ones. And also the Abbe Morio. Do you know that profound thinker? He has been received by the Emperor. Had you heard?"

"I shall be delighted to meet them," said the prince. "But tell me," he added with studied carelessness as if it had only just occurred to him, though the question he was about to ask was the chief motive of his visit, "is it true that the Dowager Empress wants Baron Funke to be appointed first secretary at Vienna? The baron by all accounts is a poor creature."

Prince Vasili wished to obtain this post for his son, but others were trying through the Dowager Empress Marya Fedorovna to secure it for the baron.

Anna Pavlovna almost closed her eyes to indicate that neither she nor anyone else had a right to criticize what the Empress desired or was pleased with.

"Baron Funke has been recommended to the Dowager Empress by her sister," was all she said, in a dry and mournful tone.

As she named the Empress, Anna Pavlovna's face suddenly assumed an expression of profound and sincere devotion and respect mingled with sadness, and this occurred every time she mentioned her illustrious patroness. She added that Her Majesty had deigned to show Baron Funke beaucoup d'estime, and again her face clouded over with sadness.

The prince was silent and looked indifferent. But, with the womanly and courtierlike quickness and tact habitual to her, Anna Pavlovna wished both to rebuke him (for daring to speak he had done of a man recommended to the Empress) and at the same time to console him, so she said:

"Now about your family. Do you know that since your daughter came out everyone has been enraptured by her? They say she is amazingly beautiful."

The prince bowed to signify his respect and gratitude.

"I often think," she continued after a short pause, drawing nearer to the prince and smiling amiably at him as if to show that political and social topics were ended and the time had come for intimate conversation- "I often think how unfairly sometimes the joys of life are distributed. Why has fate given you two such splendid children? I don't speak of Anatole, your youngest. I don't like him," she added in a tone admitting of no rejoinder and raising her eyebrows. "Two such charming children. And really you appreciate them less than anyone, and so you don't deserve to have them."

And she smiled her ecstatic smile.

"I can't help it," said the prince. "Lavater would have said I lack the bump of paternity."

"Don't joke; I mean to have a serious talk with you. Do you know I am dissatisfied with your younger son? Between ourselves" (and her face assumed its melancholy expression), "he was mentioned at Her Majesty's and you were pitied...."

The prince answered nothing, but she looked at him significantly, awaiting a reply. He frowned.

"What would you have me do?" he said at last. "You know I did all a father could for their education, and they have both turned out fools. Hippolyte is at least a quiet fool, but Anatole is an active one. That is the only difference between them." He said this smiling in a way more natural and animated than usual, so that the wrinkles round his mouth very clearly revealed something unexpectedly coarse and unpleasant.

"And why are children born to such men as you? If you were not a father there would be nothing I could reproach you with," said Anna Pavlovna, looking up pensively.

"I am your faithful slave and to you alone I can confess that my children are the bane of my life. It is the cross I have to bear. That is how I explain it to myself. It can't be helped!"

He said no more, but expressed his resignation to cruel fate by a gesture. Anna Pavlovna meditated.

"Have you never thought of marrying your prodigal son Anatole?" she asked. "They say old maids have a mania for matchmaking, and though I don't feel that weakness in myself as yet,I know a little person who is very unhappy with her father. She is a relation of yours, Princess Mary Bolkonskaya."

Prince Vasili did not reply, though, with the quickness of memory and perception befitting a man of the world, he indicated by a movement of the head that he was considering this information.

"Do you know," he said at last, evidently unable to check the sad current of his thoughts, "that Anatole is costing me forty thousand rubles a year? And," he went on after a pause, "what will it be in five years, if he goes on like this?" Presently he added: "That's what we fathers have to put up with.... Is this princess of yours rich?"

"Her father is very rich and stingy. He lives in the country. He is the well-known Prince Bolkonski who had to retire from the army under the late Emperor, and was nicknamed 'the King of Prussia.' He is very clever but eccentric, and a bore. The poor girl is very unhappy. She has a brother; I think you know him, he married Lise Meinen lately. He is an aide-de-camp of Kutuzov's and will be here tonight."

"Listen, dear Annette," said the prince, suddenly taking Anna Pavlovna's hand and for some reason drawing it downwards. "Arrange that affair for me and I shall always be your most devoted slave- slafe wigh an f, as a village elder of mine writes in his reports. She is rich and of good family and that's all I want."

And with the familiarity and easy grace peculiar to him, he raised the maid of honor's hand to his lips, kissed it, and swung it to and fro as he lay back in his armchair, looking in another direction.

"Attendez," said Anna Pavlovna, reflecting, "I'll speak to Lise, young Bolkonski's wife, this very evening, and perhaps the thing can be arranged. It shall be on your family's behalf that I'll start my apprenticeship as old maid."

...Sam's screed, but...

"Well, Prince, so Genoa and Lucca are now just family estates of the Buonapartes. But I warn you, if you don't tell me that this means war, if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend, no longer my 'faithful slave,' as you call yourself! But how do you do? I see I have frightened you- sit down and tell me all the news."

It was in July, 1805, and the speaker was the well-known Anna Pavlovna Scherer, maid of honor and favorite of the Empress Marya Fedorovna. With these words she greeted Prince Vasili Kuragin, a man of high rank and importance, who was the first to arrive at her reception. Anna Pavlovna had had a cough for some days. She was, as she said, suffering from la grippe; grippe being then a new word in St. Petersburg, used only by the elite.

All her invitations without exception, written in French, and delivered by a scarlet-liveried footman that morning, ran as follows:

"If you have nothing better to do, Count [or Prince], and if the prospect of spending an evening with a poor invalid is not too terrible, I shall be very charmed to see you tonight between 7 and 10- Annette Scherer."

"Heavens! what a virulent attack!" replied the prince, not in the least disconcerted by this reception. He had just entered, wearing an embroidered court uniform, knee breeches, and shoes, and had stars on his breast and a serene expression on his flat face. He spoke in that refined French in which our grandfathers not only spoke but thought, and with the gentle, patronizing intonation natural to a man of importance who had grown old in society and at court. He went up to Anna Pavlovna, kissed her hand, presenting to her his bald, scented, and shining head, and complacently seated himself on the sofa.

"First of all, dear friend, tell me how you are. Set your friend's mind at rest," said he without altering his tone, beneath the politeness and affected sympathy of which indifference and even irony could be discerned.

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"Can one be well while suffering morally? Can one be calm in times like these if one has any feeling?" said Anna Pavlovna. "You are staying the whole evening, I hope?"

"And the fete at the English ambassador's? Today is Wednesday. I must put in an appearance there," said the prince. "My daughter is coming for me to take me there."

"I thought today's fete had been canceled. I confess all these festivities and fireworks are becoming wearisome."

"If they had known that you wished it, the entertainment would have been put off," said the prince, who, like a wound-up clock, by force of habit said things he did not even wish to be believed.

"Don't tease! Well, and what has been decided about Novosiltsev's dispatch? You know everything."

"What can one say about it?" replied the prince in a cold, listless tone. "What has been decided? They have decided that Buonaparte has burnt his boats, and I believe that we are ready to burn ours."

Prince Vasili always spoke languidly, like an actor repeating a stale part. Anna Pavlovna Scherer on the contrary, despite her forty years, overflowed with animation and impulsiveness. To be an enthusiast had become her social vocation and, sometimes even when she did not feel like it, she became enthusiastic in order not to disappoint the expectations of those who knew her. The subdued smile which, though it did not suit her faded features, always played round her lips expressed, as in a spoiled child, a continual consciousness of her charming defect, which she neither wished, nor could, nor considered it necessary, to correct.

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In the midst of a conversation on political matters Anna Pavlovna burst out:

"Oh, don't speak to me of Austria. Perhaps I don't understand things, but Austria never has wished, and does not wish, for war. She is betraying us! Russia alone must save Europe. Our gracious sovereign recognizes his high vocation and will be true to it. That is the one thing I have faith in! Our good and wonderful sovereign has to perform the noblest role on earth, and he is so virtuous and noble that God will not forsake him. He will fulfill his vocation and crush the hydra of revolution, which has become more terrible than ever in the person of this murderer and villain! We alone must avenge the blood of the just one.... Whom, I ask you, can we rely on?... England with her commercial spirit will not and cannot understand the Emperor Alexander's loftiness of soul. She has refused to evacuate Malta. She wanted to find, and still seeks, some secret motive in our actions. What answer did Novosiltsev get? None. The English have not understood and cannot understand the self-abnegation of our Emperor who wants nothing for himself, but only desires the good of mankind. And what have they promised? Nothing! And what little they have promised they will not perform! Prussia has always declared that Buonaparte is invincible, and that all Europe is powerless before him.... And I don't believe a word that Hardenburg says, or Haugwitz either. This famous Prussian neutrality is just a trap. I have faith only in God and the lofty destiny of our adored monarch. He will save Europe!"

She suddenly paused, smiling at her own impetuosity.

"I think," said the prince with a smile, "that if you had been sent instead of our dear Wintzingerode you would have captured the King of Prussia's consent by assault. You are so eloquent. Will you give me a cup of tea?"

"In a moment. A propos," she added, becoming calm again, "I am expecting two very interesting men tonight, le Vicomte de Mortemart, who is connected with the Montmorencys through the Rohans, one of the best French families. He is one of the genuine emigres, the good ones. And also the Abbe Morio. Do you know that profound thinker? He has been received by the Emperor. Had you heard?"

"I shall be delighted to meet them," said the prince. "But tell me," he added with studied carelessness as if it had only just occurred to him, though the question he was about to ask was the chief motive of his visit, "is it true that the Dowager Empress wants Baron Funke to be appointed first secretary at Vienna? The baron by all accounts is a poor creature."

Prince Vasili wished to obtain this post for his son, but others were trying through the Dowager Empress Marya Fedorovna to secure it for the baron.

Anna Pavlovna almost closed her eyes to indicate that neither she nor anyone else had a right to criticize what the Empress desired or was pleased with.

"Baron Funke has been recommended to the Dowager Empress by her sister," was all she said, in a dry and mournful tone.

As she named the Empress, Anna Pavlovna's face suddenly assumed an expression of profound and sincere devotion and respect mingled with sadness, and this occurred every time she mentioned her illustrious patroness. She added that Her Majesty had deigned to show Baron Funke beaucoup d'estime, and again her face clouded over with sadness.

The prince was silent and looked indifferent. But, with the womanly and courtierlike quickness and tact habitual to her, Anna Pavlovna wished both to rebuke him (for daring to speak he had done of a man recommended to the Empress) and at the same time to console him, so she said:

"Now about your family. Do you know that since your daughter came out everyone has been enraptured by her? They say she is amazingly beautiful."

The prince bowed to signify his respect and gratitude.

"I often think," she continued after a short pause, drawing nearer to the prince and smiling amiably at him as if to show that political and social topics were ended and the time had come for intimate conversation- "I often think how unfairly sometimes the joys of life are distributed. Why has fate given you two such splendid children? I don't speak of Anatole, your youngest. I don't like him," she added in a tone admitting of no rejoinder and raising her eyebrows. "Two such charming children. And really you appreciate them less than anyone, and so you don't deserve to have them."

And she smiled her ecstatic smile.

"I can't help it," said the prince. "Lavater would have said I lack the bump of paternity."

"Don't joke; I mean to have a serious talk with you. Do you know I am dissatisfied with your younger son? Between ourselves" (and her face assumed its melancholy expression), "he was mentioned at Her Majesty's and you were pitied...."

The prince answered nothing, but she looked at him significantly, awaiting a reply. He frowned.

"What would you have me do?" he said at last. "You know I did all a father could for their education, and they have both turned out fools. Hippolyte is at least a quiet fool, but Anatole is an active one. That is the only difference between them." He said this smiling in a way more natural and animated than usual, so that the wrinkles round his mouth very clearly revealed something unexpectedly coarse and unpleasant.

"And why are children born to such men as you? If you were not a father there would be nothing I could reproach you with," said Anna Pavlovna, looking up pensively.

"I am your faithful slave and to you alone I can confess that my children are the bane of my life. It is the cross I have to bear. That is how I explain it to myself. It can't be helped!"

He said no more, but expressed his resignation to cruel fate by a gesture. Anna Pavlovna meditated.

"Have you never thought of marrying your prodigal son Anatole?" she asked. "They say old maids have a mania for matchmaking, and though I don't feel that weakness in myself as yet,I know a little person who is very unhappy with her father. She is a relation of yours, Princess Mary Bolkonskaya."

Prince Vasili did not reply, though, with the quickness of memory and perception befitting a man of the world, he indicated by a movement of the head that he was considering this information.

"Do you know," he said at last, evidently unable to check the sad current of his thoughts, "that Anatole is costing me forty thousand rubles a year? And," he went on after a pause, "what will it be in five years, if he goes on like this?" Presently he added: "That's what we fathers have to put up with.... Is this princess of yours rich?"

"Her father is very rich and stingy. He lives in the country. He is the well-known Prince Bolkonski who had to retire from the army under the late Emperor, and was nicknamed 'the King of Prussia.' He is very clever but eccentric, and a bore. The poor girl is very unhappy. She has a brother; I think you know him, he married Lise Meinen lately. He is an aide-de-camp of Kutuzov's and will be here tonight."

"Listen, dear Annette," said the prince, suddenly taking Anna Pavlovna's hand and for some reason drawing it downwards. "Arrange that affair for me and I shall always be your most devoted slave- slafe wigh an f, as a village elder of mine writes in his reports. She is rich and of good family and that's all I want."

And with the familiarity and easy grace peculiar to him, he raised the maid of honor's hand to his lips, kissed it, and swung it to and fro as he lay back in his armchair, looking in another direction.

"Attendez," said Anna Pavlovna, reflecting, "I'll speak to Lise, young Bolkonski's wife, this very evening, and perhaps the thing can be arranged. It shall be on your family's behalf that I'll start my apprenticeship as old maid."

...the mods are all...

"Well, Prince, so Genoa and Lucca are now just family estates of the Buonapartes. But I warn you, if you don't tell me that this means war, if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend, no longer my 'faithful slave,' as you call yourself! But how do you do? I see I have frightened you- sit down and tell me all the news."

It was in July, 1805, and the speaker was the well-known Anna Pavlovna Scherer, maid of honor and favorite of the Empress Marya Fedorovna. With these words she greeted Prince Vasili Kuragin, a man of high rank and importance, who was the first to arrive at her reception. Anna Pavlovna had had a cough for some days. She was, as she said, suffering from la grippe; grippe being then a new word in St. Petersburg, used only by the elite.

All her invitations without exception, written in French, and delivered by a scarlet-liveried footman that morning, ran as follows:

"If you have nothing better to do, Count [or Prince], and if the prospect of spending an evening with a poor invalid is not too terrible, I shall be very charmed to see you tonight between 7 and 10- Annette Scherer."

"Heavens! what a virulent attack!" replied the prince, not in the least disconcerted by this reception. He had just entered, wearing an embroidered court uniform, knee breeches, and shoes, and had stars on his breast and a serene expression on his flat face. He spoke in that refined French in which our grandfathers not only spoke but thought, and with the gentle, patronizing intonation natural to a man of importance who had grown old in society and at court. He went up to Anna Pavlovna, kissed her hand, presenting to her his bald, scented, and shining head, and complacently seated himself on the sofa.

"First of all, dear friend, tell me how you are. Set your friend's mind at rest," said he without altering his tone, beneath the politeness and affected sympathy of which indifference and even irony could be discerned.

"Can one be well while suffering morally? Can one be calm in times like these if one has any feeling?" said Anna Pavlovna. "You are staying the whole evening, I hope?"

"And the fete at the English ambassador's? Today is Wednesday. I must put in an appearance there," said the prince. "My daughter is coming for me to take me there."

"I thought today's fete had been canceled. I confess all these festivities and fireworks are becoming wearisome."

"If they had known that you wished it, the entertainment would have been put off," said the prince, who, like a wound-up clock, by force of habit said things he did not even wish to be believed.

"Don't tease! Well, and what has been decided about Novosiltsev's dispatch? You know everything."

"What can one say about it?" replied the prince in a cold, listless tone. "What has been decided? They have decided that Buonaparte has burnt his boats, and I believe that we are ready to burn ours."

Prince Vasili always spoke languidly, like an actor repeating a stale part. Anna Pavlovna Scherer on the contrary, despite her forty years, overflowed with animation and impulsiveness. To be an enthusiast had become her social vocation and, sometimes even when she did not feel like it, she became enthusiastic in order not to disappoint the expectations of those who knew her. The subdued smile which, though it did not suit her faded features, always played round her lips expressed, as in a spoiled child, a continual consciousness of her charming defect, which she neither wished, nor could, nor considered it necessary, to correct.

In the midst of a conversation on political matters Anna Pavlovna burst out:

"Oh, don't speak to me of Austria. Perhaps I don't understand things, but Austria never has wished, and does not wish, for war. She is betraying us! Russia alone must save Europe. Our gracious sovereign recognizes his high vocation and will be true to it. That is the one thing I have faith in! Our good and wonderful sovereign has to perform the noblest role on earth, and he is so virtuous and noble that God will not forsake him. He will fulfill his vocation and crush the hydra of revolution, which has become more terrible than ever in the person of this murderer and villain! We alone must avenge the blood of the just one.... Whom, I ask you, can we rely on?... England with her commercial spirit will not and cannot understand the Emperor Alexander's loftiness of soul. She has refused to evacuate Malta. She wanted to find, and still seeks, some secret motive in our actions. What answer did Novosiltsev get? None. The English have not understood and cannot understand the self-abnegation of our Emperor who wants nothing for himself, but only desires the good of mankind. And what have they promised? Nothing! And what little they have promised they will not perform! Prussia has always declared that Buonaparte is invincible, and that all Europe is powerless before him.... And I don't believe a word that Hardenburg says, or Haugwitz either. This famous Prussian neutrality is just a trap. I have faith only in God and the lofty destiny of our adored monarch. He will save Europe!"

She suddenly paused, smiling at her own impetuosity.

"I think," said the prince with a smile, "that if you had been sent instead of our dear Wintzingerode you would have captured the King of Prussia's consent by assault. You are so eloquent. Will you give me a cup of tea?"

"In a moment. A propos," she added, becoming calm again, "I am expecting two very interesting men tonight, le Vicomte de Mortemart, who is connected with the Montmorencys through the Rohans, one of the best French families. He is one of the genuine emigres, the good ones. And also the Abbe Morio. Do you know that profound thinker? He has been received by the Emperor. Had you heard?"

"I shall be delighted to meet them," said the prince. "But tell me," he added with studied carelessness as if it had only just occurred to him, though the question he was about to ask was the chief motive of his visit, "is it true that the Dowager Empress wants Baron Funke to be appointed first secretary at Vienna? The baron by all accounts is a poor creature."

Prince Vasili wished to obtain this post for his son, but others were trying through the Dowager Empress Marya Fedorovna to secure it for the baron.

Anna Pavlovna almost closed her eyes to indicate that neither she nor anyone else had a right to criticize what the Empress desired or was pleased with.

"Baron Funke has been recommended to the Dowager Empress by her sister," was all she said, in a dry and mournful tone.

As she named the Empress, Anna Pavlovna's face suddenly assumed an expression of profound and sincere devotion and respect mingled with sadness, and this occurred every time she mentioned her illustrious patroness. She added that Her Majesty had deigned to show Baron Funke beaucoup d'estime, and again her face clouded over with sadness.

The prince was silent and looked indifferent. But, with the womanly and courtierlike quickness and tact habitual to her, Anna Pavlovna wished both to rebuke him (for daring to speak he had done of a man recommended to the Empress) and at the same time to console him, so she said:

"Now about your family. Do you know that since your daughter came out everyone has been enraptured by her? They say she is amazingly beautiful."

The prince bowed to signify his respect and gratitude.

"I often think," she continued after a short pause, drawing nearer to the prince and smiling amiably at him as if to show that political and social topics were ended and the time had come for intimate conversation- "I often think how unfairly sometimes the joys of life are distributed. Why has fate given you two such splendid children? I don't speak of Anatole, your youngest. I don't like him," she added in a tone admitting of no rejoinder and raising her eyebrows. "Two such charming children. And really you appreciate them less than anyone, and so you don't deserve to have them."

And she smiled her ecstatic smile.

"I can't help it," said the prince. "Lavater would have said I lack the bump of paternity."

"Don't joke; I mean to have a serious talk with you. Do you know I am dissatisfied with your younger son? Between ourselves" (and her face assumed its melancholy expression), "he was mentioned at Her Majesty's and you were pitied...."

The prince answered nothing, but she looked at him significantly, awaiting a reply. He frowned.

"What would you have me do?" he said at last. "You know I did all a father could for their education, and they have both turned out fools. Hippolyte is at least a quiet fool, but Anatole is an active one. That is the only difference between them." He said this smiling in a way more natural and animated than usual, so that the wrinkles round his mouth very clearly revealed something unexpectedly coarse and unpleasant.

"And why are children born to such men as you? If you were not a father there would be nothing I could reproach you with," said Anna Pavlovna, looking up pensively.

"I am your faithful slave and to you alone I can confess that my children are the bane of my life. It is the cross I have to bear. That is how I explain it to myself. It can't be helped!"

He said no more, but expressed his resignation to cruel fate by a gesture. Anna Pavlovna meditated.

"Have you never thought of marrying your prodigal son Anatole?" she asked. "They say old maids have a mania for matchmaking, and though I don't feel that weakness in myself as yet,I know a little person who is very unhappy with her father. She is a relation of yours, Princess Mary Bolkonskaya."

Prince Vasili did not reply, though, with the quickness of memory and perception befitting a man of the world, he indicated by a movement of the head that he was considering this information.

"Do you know," he said at last, evidently unable to check the sad current of his thoughts, "that Anatole is costing me forty thousand rubles a year? And," he went on after a pause, "what will it be in five years, if he goes on like this?" Presently he added: "That's what we fathers have to put up with.... Is this princess of yours rich?"

"Her father is very rich and stingy. He lives in the country. He is the well-known Prince Bolkonski who had to retire from the army under the late Emperor, and was nicknamed 'the King of Prussia.' He is very clever but eccentric, and a bore. The poor girl is very unhappy. She has a brother; I think you know him, he married Lise Meinen lately. He is an aide-de-camp of Kutuzov's and will be here tonight."

"Listen, dear Annette," said the prince, suddenly taking Anna Pavlovna's hand and for some reason drawing it downwards. "Arrange that affair for me and I shall always be your most devoted slave- slafe wigh an f, as a village elder of mine writes in his reports. She is rich and of good family and that's all I want."

And with the familiarity and easy grace peculiar to him, he raised the maid of honor's hand to his lips, kissed it, and swung it to and fro as he lay back in his armchair, looking in another direction.

"Attendez," said Anna Pavlovna, reflecting, "I'll speak to Lise, young Bolkonski's wife, this very evening, and perhaps the thing can be arranged. It shall be on your family's behalf that I'll start my apprenticeship as old maid."

...out to get me...

"Well, Prince, so Genoa and Lucca are now just family estates of the Buonapartes. But I warn you, if you don't tell me that this means war, if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend, no longer my 'faithful slave,' as you call yourself! But how do you do? I see I have frightened you- sit down and tell me all the news."

It was in July, 1805, and the speaker was the well-known Anna Pavlovna Scherer, maid of honor and favorite of the Empress Marya Fedorovna. With these words she greeted Prince Vasili Kuragin, a man of high rank and importance, who was the first to arrive at her reception. Anna Pavlovna had had a cough for some days. She was, as she said, suffering from la grippe; grippe being then a new word in St. Petersburg, used only by the elite.

All her invitations without exception, written in French, and delivered by a scarlet-liveried footman that morning, ran as follows:

"If you have nothing better to do, Count [or Prince], and if the prospect of spending an evening with a poor invalid is not too terrible, I shall be very charmed to see you tonight between 7 and 10- Annette Scherer."

"Heavens! what a virulent attack!" replied the prince, not in the least disconcerted by this reception. He had just entered, wearing an embroidered court uniform, knee breeches, and shoes, and had stars on his breast and a serene expression on his flat face. He spoke in that refined French in which our grandfathers not only spoke but thought, and with the gentle, patronizing intonation natural to a man of importance who had grown old in society and at court. He went up to Anna Pavlovna, kissed her hand, presenting to her his bald, scented, and shining head, and complacently seated himself on the sofa.

"First of all, dear friend, tell me how you are. Set your friend's mind at rest," said he without altering his tone, beneath the politeness and affected sympathy of which indifference and even irony could be discerned.

"Can one be well while suffering morally? Can one be calm in times like these if one has any feeling?" said Anna Pavlovna. "You are staying the whole evening, I hope?"

"And the fete at the English ambassador's? Today is Wednesday. I must put in an appearance there," said the prince. "My daughter is coming for me to take me there."

"I thought today's fete had been canceled. I confess all these festivities and fireworks are becoming wearisome."

"If they had known that you wished it, the entertainment would have been put off," said the prince, who, like a wound-up clock, by force of habit said things he did not even wish to be believed.

"Don't tease! Well, and what has been decided about Novosiltsev's dispatch? You know everything."

"What can one say about it?" replied the prince in a cold, listless tone. "What has been decided? They have decided that Buonaparte has burnt his boats, and I believe that we are ready to burn ours."

Prince Vasili always spoke languidly, like an actor repeating a stale part. Anna Pavlovna Scherer on the contrary, despite her forty years, overflowed with animation and impulsiveness. To be an enthusiast had become her social vocation and, sometimes even when she did not feel like it, she became enthusiastic in order not to disappoint the expectations of those who knew her. The subdued smile which, though it did not suit her faded features, always played round her lips expressed, as in a spoiled child, a continual consciousness of her charming defect, which she neither wished, nor could, nor considered it necessary, to correct.

In the midst of a conversation on political matters Anna Pavlovna burst out:

"Oh, don't speak to me of Austria. Perhaps I don't understand things, but Austria never has wished, and does not wish, for war. She is betraying us! Russia alone must save Europe. Our gracious sovereign recognizes his high vocation and will be true to it. That is the one thing I have faith in! Our good and wonderful sovereign has to perform the noblest role on earth, and he is so virtuous and noble that God will not forsake him. He will fulfill his vocation and crush the hydra of revolution, which has become more terrible than ever in the person of this murderer and villain! We alone must avenge the blood of the just one.... Whom, I ask you, can we rely on?... England with her commercial spirit will not and cannot understand the Emperor Alexander's loftiness of soul. She has refused to evacuate Malta. She wanted to find, and still seeks, some secret motive in our actions. What answer did Novosiltsev get? None. The English have not understood and cannot understand the self-abnegation of our Emperor who wants nothing for himself, but only desires the good of mankind. And what have they promised? Nothing! And what little they have promised they will not perform! Prussia has always declared that Buonaparte is invincible, and that all Europe is powerless before him.... And I don't believe a word that Hardenburg says, or Haugwitz either. This famous Prussian neutrality is just a trap. I have faith only in God and the lofty destiny of our adored monarch. He will save Europe!"

She suddenly paused, smiling at her own impetuosity.

"I think," said the prince with a smile, "that if you had been sent instead of our dear Wintzingerode you would have captured the King of Prussia's consent by assault. You are so eloquent. Will you give me a cup of tea?"

"In a moment. A propos," she added, becoming calm again, "I am expecting two very interesting men tonight, le Vicomte de Mortemart, who is connected with the Montmorencys through the Rohans, one of the best French families. He is one of the genuine emigres, the good ones. And also the Abbe Morio. Do you know that profound thinker? He has been received by the Emperor. Had you heard?"

"I shall be delighted to meet them," said the prince. "But tell me," he added with studied carelessness as if it had only just occurred to him, though the question he was about to ask was the chief motive of his visit, "is it true that the Dowager Empress wants Baron Funke to be appointed first secretary at Vienna? The baron by all accounts is a poor creature."

Prince Vasili wished to obtain this post for his son, but others were trying through the Dowager Empress Marya Fedorovna to secure it for the baron.

Anna Pavlovna almost closed her eyes to indicate that neither she nor anyone else had a right to criticize what the Empress desired or was pleased with.

"Baron Funke has been recommended to the Dowager Empress by her sister," was all she said, in a dry and mournful tone.

As she named the Empress, Anna Pavlovna's face suddenly assumed an expression of profound and sincere devotion and respect mingled with sadness, and this occurred every time she mentioned her illustrious patroness. She added that Her Majesty had deigned to show Baron Funke beaucoup d'estime, and again her face clouded over with sadness.

The prince was silent and looked indifferent. But, with the womanly and courtierlike quickness and tact habitual to her, Anna Pavlovna wished both to rebuke him (for daring to speak he had done of a man recommended to the Empress) and at the same time to console him, so she said:

"Now about your family. Do you know that since your daughter came out everyone has been enraptured by her? They say she is amazingly beautiful."

The prince bowed to signify his respect and gratitude.

"I often think," she continued after a short pause, drawing nearer to the prince and smiling amiably at him as if to show that political and social topics were ended and the time had come for intimate conversation- "I often think how unfairly sometimes the joys of life are distributed. Why has fate given you two such splendid children? I don't speak of Anatole, your youngest. I don't like him," she added in a tone admitting of no rejoinder and raising her eyebrows. "Two such charming children. And really you appreciate them less than anyone, and so you don't deserve to have them."

And she smiled her ecstatic smile.

"I can't help it," said the prince. "Lavater would have said I lack the bump of paternity."

"Don't joke; I mean to have a serious talk with you. Do you know I am dissatisfied with your younger son? Between ourselves" (and her face assumed its melancholy expression), "he was mentioned at Her Majesty's and you were pitied...."

The prince answered nothing, but she looked at him significantly, awaiting a reply. He frowned.

"What would you have me do?" he said at last. "You know I did all a father could for their education, and they have both turned out fools. Hippolyte is at least a quiet fool, but Anatole is an active one. That is the only difference between them." He said this smiling in a way more natural and animated than usual, so that the wrinkles round his mouth very clearly revealed something unexpectedly coarse and unpleasant.

"And why are children born to such men as you? If you were not a father there would be nothing I could reproach you with," said Anna Pavlovna, looking up pensively.

"I am your faithful slave and to you alone I can confess that my children are the bane of my life. It is the cross I have to bear. That is how I explain it to myself. It can't be helped!"

He said no more, but expressed his resignation to cruel fate by a gesture. Anna Pavlovna meditated.

"Have you never thought of marrying your prodigal son Anatole?" she asked. "They say old maids have a mania for matchmaking, and though I don't feel that weakness in myself as yet,I know a little person who is very unhappy with her father. She is a relation of yours, Princess Mary Bolkonskaya."

Prince Vasili did not reply, though, with the quickness of memory and perception befitting a man of the world, he indicated by a movement of the head that he was considering this information.

"Do you know," he said at last, evidently unable to check the sad current of his thoughts, "that Anatole is costing me forty thousand rubles a year? And," he went on after a pause, "what will it be in five years, if he goes on like this?" Presently he added: "That's what we fathers have to put up with.... Is this princess of yours rich?"

"Her father is very rich and stingy. He lives in the country. He is the well-known Prince Bolkonski who had to retire from the army under the late Emperor, and was nicknamed 'the King of Prussia.' He is very clever but eccentric, and a bore. The poor girl is very unhappy. She has a brother; I think you know him, he married Lise Meinen lately. He is an aide-de-camp of Kutuzov's and will be here tonight."

"Listen, dear Annette," said the prince, suddenly taking Anna Pavlovna's hand and for some reason drawing it downwards. "Arrange that affair for me and I shall always be your most devoted slave- slafe wigh an f, as a village elder of mine writes in his reports. She is rich and of good family and that's all I want."

And with the familiarity and easy grace peculiar to him, he raised the maid of honor's hand to his lips, kissed it, and swung it to and fro as he lay back in his armchair, looking in another direction.

"Attendez," said Anna Pavlovna, reflecting, "I'll speak to Lise, young Bolkonski's wife, this very evening, and perhaps the thing can be arranged. It shall be on your family's behalf that I'll start my apprenticeship as old maid."

...and...

"Well, Prince, so Genoa and Lucca are now just family estates of the Buonapartes. But I warn you, if you don't tell me that this means war, if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend, no longer my 'faithful slave,' as you call yourself! But how do you do? I see I have frightened you- sit down and tell me all the news."

It was in July, 1805, and the speaker was the well-known Anna Pavlovna Scherer, maid of honor and favorite of the Empress Marya Fedorovna. With these words she greeted Prince Vasili Kuragin, a man of high rank and importance, who was the first to arrive at her reception. Anna Pavlovna had had a cough for some days. She was, as she said, suffering from la grippe; grippe being then a new word in St. Petersburg, used only by the elite.

All her invitations without exception, written in French, and delivered by a scarlet-liveried footman that morning, ran as follows:

"If you have nothing better to do, Count [or Prince], and if the prospect of spending an evening with a poor invalid is not too terrible, I shall be very charmed to see you tonight between 7 and 10- Annette Scherer."

"Heavens! what a virulent attack!" replied the prince, not in the least disconcerted by this reception. He had just entered, wearing an embroidered court uniform, knee breeches, and shoes, and had stars on his breast and a serene expression on his flat face. He spoke in that refined French in which our grandfathers not only spoke but thought, and with the gentle, patronizing intonation natural to a man of importance who had grown old in society and at court. He went up to Anna Pavlovna, kissed her hand, presenting to her his bald, scented, and shining head, and complacently seated himself on the sofa.

"First of all, dear friend, tell me how you are. Set your friend's mind at rest," said he without altering his tone, beneath the politeness and affected sympathy of which indifference and even irony could be discerned.

"Can one be well while suffering morally? Can one be calm in times like these if one has any feeling?" said Anna Pavlovna. "You are staying the whole evening, I hope?"

"And the fete at the English ambassador's? Today is Wednesday. I must put in an appearance there," said the prince. "My daughter is coming for me to take me there."

"I thought today's fete had been canceled. I confess all these festivities and fireworks are becoming wearisome."

"If they had known that you wished it, the entertainment would have been put off," said the prince, who, like a wound-up clock, by force of habit said things he did not even wish to be believed.

"Don't tease! Well, and what has been decided about Novosiltsev's dispatch? You know everything."

"What can one say about it?" replied the prince in a cold, listless tone. "What has been decided? They have decided that Buonaparte has burnt his boats, and I believe that we are ready to burn ours."

Prince Vasili always spoke languidly, like an actor repeating a stale part. Anna Pavlovna Scherer on the contrary, despite her forty years, overflowed with animation and impulsiveness. To be an enthusiast had become her social vocation and, sometimes even when she did not feel like it, she became enthusiastic in order not to disappoint the expectations of those who knew her. The subdued smile which, t

I hate cliff-hangers. When do we get part 2?
 
Cary L. Brown said:
PKTrekGirl said:
Cary L. Brown said:Definitely an amusing thread! (Though it IS fascinating to find out just who's been getting the text of "poster to moderator" private messages shared with them, isn't it?
You know, Cary, this comment is so far into the realms of the paranoid that I simply cannot respond. :lol:
No, it's not. When a direct reference to a comment I made to you in a PM is made in a public post by someone else, it's not hard to figure out. And sweetheart, "that dog don't hunt" as you like to say.
Do you seriously think that Cogley and I, both of us professionals with serious careers, would be rushing right out to yuck it up over your PMs in our free time???? :lol:
Curiously, I never said WHO I was referring to, did I? How do you know I wasn't making a reference to Dennis, or to Kegek, or someone else? I didn't mention any names, now, did I? ;)

And you'll note that I'm not really objecting to Sam's post, which I stated quite clearly I found amusing. Just to references in SOMEBODY'S post to comments I made in a private message sent to you, and to nobody else... and thus things that person could NOT have commented on unless you'd passed it along. :rolleyes:

As for you being a professional... I have no idea WHAT you do. You're not exactly forthcoming about your own situation in life in your own profile, and you haven't told me... as far as I know you could be a neurosurgeon or you could be the manager of a ghetto by-the-hour hotel. I can ONLY judge people based upon what they share of themselves, and upon the behavior I see.

I get the impression that "Sam" is an actual lawyer, more by other comments he's made than by virtue of the name of his avatar. But again, I ENJOY his posts. I don't have a problem with good-natured ribbing, which is how I read the stuff he did based upon that thread.

It's not him I'm questioning in any case (though it's a cute effort on your part to steer my comment away from yourself and onto someone else!). I'm just curious about how comments I made in "confidence" to you somehow got included in someone else's post.
Surely you can't be serious. :lol:
You've been 100% clear that you don't like me, you stated that you consider me "the most disruptive person on the BBS" and that you have "special powers" to ban people at your personal discretion. So I'm not "paranoid" to think that you have a personal bias against me, am I? And based upon recent events, that you've shown that in the exercise of your "wonder twin powers" on here. It's not paranoia when someone has demonstrated that they're biased against you, and have even stated it overtly. Is it? :rolleyes:
No...I think the Boots Thread provided Cogley with all the material he needed, all on it's own. :lol:
Actually, it did. I wasn't ever really annoyed, even with the flaming I was subjected to in there. And I don't mind STC having a bit of fun. The ONLY part of that thread that I found objectionable, honestly, was the fact that you let a particularly nasty set of flames made against me go with a "nudge" while you gave me a WARNING in another thread for something that was, by no rational measure, "warnable." The only person who did something really BAD in that thread was YOU... IMHO, of course.
Besides, that PM you sent me was so long I didn't even read the whole thing myself. :p
Of course you didn't... (yeah, right) Short of the quotes, my note to you was very nearly the same number of words as the one you sent back. I had no trouble reading yours... of course, reading skills vary from person to person, I suppose.

As a moderator, aren't you REQUIRED to do that, though, as part of the job description? Especially when you make a statement "comments to PM?"

Look, I'm not asking for you to like me, and I'm not going to ask for you to stop playing with your pals in the "kewl kids clique" on here. I'm just asking for you to stop letting your personal bias against me carry over into your enforcement of the board rules. BE A MODERATOR, at least in the forum you're supposed to be moderating. If you can't be even-handed in your actions in here, or if you don't want to, ask to moderate another forum, or give up the moderator position. But I think you CAN be even-handed.

My issue with you is that you've shown OVERT BIAS. In this thread, I had no problem with anything... except for the fact that you (who have an OBLIGATION TO BE UNBIASED IN THIS FORUM) are so obviously partisan.

If I'd made a similar thread, mocking someone else on the board, you'd have me locked up in irons. If I'd made the sort of comments that Dennis made here, you'd have banned me (even though I might have, like him, not mentioned any names!)

I don't want anyone banned, or anyone warned, or anything else. I just want you to stop treating me, and a few others, DIFFERENTLY... just because we're not in your "little circle of friends." This thread is harmless and entertaining. Just be sure that you apply the same logic in letting this one GO (as I believe it SHOULD be let go!) to posts from the folks you, personally, don't like.

Do that, and we'll all get along famously.

Cary, I'm not gonna go down this road with you.

I'm just not.

So I'll just say a few things and be done.

1. I am a CPA. It's in my profile and I make no secret of it.

2. I did not send Sam, or anyone else, your PM.

3. Although I did not send anyone your PM, I bet any given 'regular' in this forum could summarize pretty well what was in it with a fair degree of accuracy. It's not rocket science, given your posting style in this forum.

4. If you want to stop having run-ins with me, you need to stop being so argumentative and confrontational in this forum. Not only to me, but to your fellow posters.

If you learn to relax, laugh at yourself, and not read sinister motivations into every comment thrown your way, you and I can, and will, get along famously. But if you continue on your present course, then we will continue to have run-ins. It's really just that simple.

For goodness sake...this is supposed to be FUN, Cary. Are you having fun? Because I am certainly not.

In fact, what you read as 'bias' toward Cogley is simply this: for the first time this week in this forum, I actually had a good laugh - had some FUN. You know....that reason I started posting here 27,000 posts ago?

There are two kinds of posters on this board, Cary - those who make other posters' BBS experience fun...and those who do not. How about doing us all a favor and try out the former group. You might like it. ;)
 
Future Spock took one of Scotty's DNA samples (from the Enterprise-D, of course) back to 1987 and distributed copies of it to the bridge crew's ancestors. This was of course done in order to prevent that Malcolm McDowell guy from dropping a bridge on Captain Kirk.
 
PKTrekGirl said:
For goodness sake...this is supposed to be FUN
Really? If that's true then I'm going back to Startrek.com...At least there I can rest assured that I won't inadvertantly have "fun".
 
PKTrekGirl said:Cary, I'm not gonna go down this road with you.

I'm just not.

So I'll just say a few things and be done.
Fair enough. I'll respond and I'll be done, too. ;)
1. I am a CPA. It's in my profile and I make no secret of it.
Cool. Ya know, that's the first statement I think you've ever made towards me that wasn't confrontational, but just factual. It's nice.
2. I did not send Sam, or anyone else, your PM.
Then it's a mystery, huh, how a post in this forum very nearly directly quoted something I said in response to a comment you made. We'll chalk it up to psychic powers and be done with it...
3. Although I did not send anyone your PM, I bet any given 'regular' in this forum could summarize pretty well what was in it with a fair degree of accuracy. It's not rocket science, given your posting style in this forum.
My posting style in this forum, or in any other, is generally pretty even-handed, until someone goes onto the attack against me or someone else. I do have a personality that makes me want to stand up against stuff which is overtly offensive. Since the first direct contact I ever remember having with you was when you publically chastized me for suggesting that a couple of people involved in a racially-offensive (anti-GERMAN) conversation might BOTH want to knock it off, and you took that as being offensive towards YOU (for reasons that still escape me)... I guess your perspective of my posts is... atypical? While you seem comfortable speaking for "everyone" here, I know (from a lot of contact I've had with various folks on here) that the way you characterize my posting style as being "negative" is not a universally-held belief.

I'm not confrontational, per-se... but I am confident, and I don't feel the need to tapdance around things. The fact that I post under my own name, and state exactly who I am, what I do, where I live... everything... demonstrates that fairly clearly, I think. I respect people who are up-front, and I'll never be anything but that myself.

The thread that was just close, for example... I simply pointed out that the premise of the thread... ie, that in TOS, they tucked the pants into the boots... was incorrect. I provided support for that. I got FLAMED by the OP, and instead of responding with a flame, I responded with supporting evidence. I got flamed even worse, so I hit "report" (per your suggestion) instead of responding with a personal attack in-kind. Yet, your response to the "report to mod" was to take no action against the flamer and instead chastise the rest of the folks participating in the thread. And then to shut down the thread.

I'm sorta diggin' the fact that STC resurrected it, and it's worth a laugh. The original thread need not have been closed... but oh well.

I wasn't "involved in a fight." I got ATTACKED for simply stating a few facts. I chose NOT to "fight." Oh well...
4. If you want to stop having run-ins with me, you need to stop being so argumentative and confrontational in this forum. Not only to me, but to your fellow posters.
Most of my "fellow posters" don't think I AM confrontational. Even those whom I often disagree with (like, for instance, Kegek) are usually worth discussing things with anyway, because DISCUSSION IS A GOOD THING.

"Discussion" does not mean that everyone has to share the same perspective, or agree on ANYTHING. It only means that there's some mutual respect shown. I show respect, but I also RESPOND when attacked... typically by trying to demonstrate through logic and fact that the point being made is wrong.

If your statement is saying what I THINK you're saying... which is that anyone who disagrees with certain viewpoints held by you or a few others must NEVER DISAGREE... then you're never going to get what you're asking for, from me or anyone else.

If you treat everyone with the same level of respect as you do your friends, and give everyone the same amount of slack you give your friends... (and I'm in favor of LOTS of slack for everyone... adults can deal with sniping without "mommy" intervening!) then things will be just fine. :D

Just realize that we're nearly all ADULTS here... you can't treat us the same way you'd treat your children. Adults can, will, and SHOULD be able to speak their minds (and should also have to be prepared to defend those thoughts to their peers).
If you learn to relax, laugh at yourself, and not read sinister motivations into every comment thrown your way, you and I can, and will, get along famously.
The "sinister motives" bit... the little scheme from a few weeks ago... I have pretty hard proof of it. It's not paranoia... I know who started it, who was involved, etc. I also found out that I have more friends here than you might suspect. ;)

I see NO "sinister motives" in Sam's post... he's an equal-opportunity satirist, and I don't mind at all. As I said, the ONLY person whose actions I found ugly was you... because you chose to engage in some overtly partisan action. Ya could've laughed yourself silly, but you had no business "going along" with it.

A leader has to keep themselves above, and apart, from the interpersonal relationships of those they're "supervising." There's a reason that "fraternization" is outlawed between officers and their subordinates in the military, and why it's considered "sexual misconduct" if a business manager has a sexual relationship with someone who reports to him or her (even if that person is willing!). It compromises the authority of the leader. It's not as much FUN... but that's the cost of having RESPONSIBILITY. And responsibility ALWAYS goes hand-in-hand with AUTHORITY.
But if you continue on your present course, then we will continue to have run-ins. It's really just that simple.
My "present course" is more of an issue for you (and a few of your friends) than it is for the majority of board members (as evidenced by a lot of supportive notes I received during my nearly-three-week-long "one week ban" a short time ago).

And my confrontations with you have been ENTIRELY about you, evidently, feeling "threatened" by the fact that I'm not easily cowed and speak my mind without reservation. As I said before, though... I'm the sort of person who, if I saw you being attacked, would leap in to defend you... and not the sort of person who would just run away and MAYBE call 9-1-1 once I was sure I was safe. It's how I'm wired... and it will NEVER change. And I'm GLAD it's how I am. If everyone was of the mindset that they need to "leave it all to mommy and daddy," even as ADULTS... the world would be in VERY sorry shape!

I'm not confrontational... unless I'm attacked, or I see someone else being attacked. In those cases, I stand up. And I'll NEVER stop doing that.

Now, if someone says something I disagree with, I'll say so... but that's not "confrontation." That's what DISCUSSION IS.
For goodness sake...this is supposed to be FUN, Cary. Are you having fun? Because I am certainly not.
Actually, I was having plenty of fun... but it really went downhill once you started, as I see it, to "target" me. That was the day you called me down for asking... ASKING.. the guys having the racist conversation about Germans to knock it off, and you "chastized me" for "playing moderator." Since that day, you've been nasty to me at EVERY TURN.

The thing is, when you're not involved, I DO have fun. But it's become an axiom... once you show up, the fun seems to stop. Except here, of course, where the fun was partly at my expense. I'm fine with that, but I'm not fine with the overt double-standard. (I KNOW I'd have been "warned" over doing anything similar!) But... hopefully... that will end now.
In fact, what you read as 'bias' toward Cogley is simply this: for the first time this week in this forum, I actually had a good laugh - had some FUN. You know....that reason I started posting here 27,000 posts ago?
Yes, I know quite well. That's the same thing that the recent bullshit that I've been subjected to has taken away from me. I have fun, still... but your "don't speak up or I'll punish you!" threats have definitely put a damper in that "fun" level.
There are two kinds of posters on this board, Cary - those who make other posters' BBS experience fun...and those who do not. How about doing us all a favor and try out the former group. You might like it. ;)
Well, ya know... that's a damned offensive comment. And, again based upon a large number of notes and comments from a number of folks on here, both in-forum, in PM, and in private emails, I know that there are plenty of folks here who consider me to be part of that "former group" and who appreciate what I have to say.

And there are those who you probably consider part of that "former group" who are considered, by many people on here, to be part of the LATTER group.

It really is a matter of perspective, isn't it?

ANYWAY, I'm hoping that the point has been made. And I'm done discussing it, too. And as long as my treatment, and those of the other "non-clique" people on the BBS, is equal to that of everyone else... there will never be reason to rehash it, will there? :D
 
Starship Polaris said:
Samuel T. Cogley said:
And considering that PKTrekGirl recently gave me the first warning I have received in years...

Have you ever received a warning before that? I was pretty startled, and can't remember another instance.

And all I did was state that I was looking forward to the death of two posters (or maybe it was just one ;) ). They are so strict around here. :rolleyes:
 
PKTrekGirl said:
Cary L. Brown said:
Definitely an amusing thread! (Though it IS fascinating to find out just who's been getting the text of "poster to moderator" private messages shared with them, isn't it?

You know, Cary, this comment is so far into the realms of the paranoid that I simply cannot respond. :lol:

Do you seriously think that Cogley and I, both of us professionals with serious careers, would be rushing right out to yuck it up over your PMs in our free time???? :lol:

Surely you can't be serious. :lol:

No...I think the Boots Thread provided Cogley with all the material he needed, all on it's own. :lol:

Besides, that PM you sent me was so long I didn't even read the whole thing myself. :p

With all due respect, between your tone and the number of smileys being tossed out here, I'd say you were bordering on flaming and/or trolling Cary here.

Should I bring this up over in MA?

Regarding this whole sleeves topic, shouldn't this be considered a joke thread, and by the always stringent, though not always stringently applied rules of this forum, be shut down post-haste?

Just asking.

\S/

*Edited to point out who is very likely being flamed here*
 
Superman said:
PKTrekGirl said:
Cary L. Brown said:
Definitely an amusing thread! (Though it IS fascinating to find out just who's been getting the text of "poster to moderator" private messages shared with them, isn't it?

You know, Cary, this comment is so far into the realms of the paranoid that I simply cannot respond. :lol:

Do you seriously think that Cogley and I, both of us professionals with serious careers, would be rushing right out to yuck it up over your PMs in our free time???? :lol:

Surely you can't be serious. :lol:

No...I think the Boots Thread provided Cogley with all the material he needed, all on it's own. :lol:

Besides, that PM you sent me was so long I didn't even read the whole thing myself. :p

With all due respect, between your tone and the number of smileys being tossed out here, I'd say you were bordering on flaming and/or trolling Cary here.

Should I bring this up over in MA?

Regarding this whole sleeves topic, shouldn't this be considered a joke thread, and by the always stringent, though not always stringently applied rules of this forum, be shut down post-haste?

Just asking.

\S/

*Edited to point out who is very likely being flamed here*

You and Cary need to stop criticizing moderators in every thread. If you have a problem with any of us, take it up via PM or take it to an administrator. Stop derailing threads like this. This goes for anyone who has a problem.

Thread will be closed if it doesn't get back on topic.
 
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