Wesley Crusher reviews Star Trek Into Darkness

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Shaka Zulu, Jun 20, 2013.

  1. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Sep 17, 2011
    Yes, Will Wheaton's "Memoirs of the Future" is some of the most damning criticism of Wesley Crusher there is. It's pretty vulgar in places but hilarious all the same. It makes me want to see him as Wesley in the future, only for Wes to be a complete jerk.
  2. Cinema Geekly

    Cinema Geekly Commander Red Shirt

    Dec 1, 2012
    TOS was always male dominated and Women centric action films just don't do great business, not enough cross over, and not a lot of Women alone who dig action films.

    That being said, Zoe's Uhura did more in this film than any previous incarnation of Uhura put together between TOS and the films. To me , on a 99% male dominated premise, that is a big leap forward.
  3. Kpnuts

    Kpnuts Commodore Commodore

    Nov 25, 1999
    Congrats Wil, you managed to completely miss the entire point of the Kirk/Spock storyline.
  4. Silversmok3

    Silversmok3 Commander Red Shirt

    Nov 12, 2008
    The Enterprise being underwater wasn't a problem for me.If a ship can withstand FTL travel,it can probably withstand a brief stint as a submarine.

    As far as the opening scene goes,Kirk had to be established as a reckless hothead in order for his actions as a character to make sense.Considering stinkers like Nemesis still haunt the franchise I think we should be quite happy this movie is as good as it is.:techman:
  5. sonak

    sonak Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jul 13, 2007
    in a figment of a mediocre mind's imagination

    Yeah, that criticism is really making me :confused:

    I've heard it described as "sexist," and Abrams apologized for it, releasing a scene of Cumberbatch in the shower as a "compensation."

    So... is a woman in her underwear in a movie automatically sexist now? And why wasn't it sexist when it was Saldana in XI? Or even Pine in XI in the same scene?
  6. Kabraxal

    Kabraxal Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    May 9, 2013
    I think the problem some have with the underwear scene is that they felt it had no reason except for "sex". I thought it was a funny little moment myself and really... this is built off a series that had the women in tiny mini skirts sooooo...yeah.
  7. Gepard

    Gepard Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 20, 2007
    I think at least part of it is the way they shot the thing – that low camera angle and full frontal pose really gave the shot a pervy vibe. You'll note that the two Caitians in Kirk's bed earlier in the film and Uhura's disrobing to change in ST'09 haven't generated nearly as much discussion, IMO because they were staged far more naturally and so didn't call attention to themselves.
  8. Kamdan

    Kamdan Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 1, 2011
    He's only done this extreme criticism of the character just so he remains relevant to fans, which I believe came around when he was dubbed the "Jar Jar Binks of Star Trek." Personally, I find the character of Neelix more baffling than Wesley Crusher, but you don't see Ethan Phillips or even Ahmed Best for that matter bad mouthing the way their characters were written or for the shows that they were paid to act in. Sure, the first season of The Next Generation isn't great, but at least you got paid to say your lines. Wheaton loved every minute of attention he got on the show, because he was a fan himself of the original show and it was a fantasy fulfilled to be a part of the crew of the Enterprise, just like Justin Long's character in Galaxy Quest. Wheaton should feel lucky to have been given the opportunity, because his part was originally written for a young woman and I seriously doubt that a real female Star Trek fan of his nature would have been chosen for the role.
  9. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Commodore Commodore

    Apr 19, 2013
    Last place in Australia to get the NBN
    I agree.

    I think the pose was intended to show that Marcus didn't really care that Kirk was looking at her but it also came out looking as you say 'pervy'.
  10. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Sep 17, 2011
    I don't mind throwing sex into the mix and appreciate it, actually, because sex is amongst what separates Star Trek from Star Wars.

    Even I felt that was a badly shot scene.
  11. Clancy_s

    Clancy_s Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Oct 23, 2009
    It's not the look of it that bothers me but the set up; in ST09 Gaila was making out with Kirk and Uhura was in her quarters, just off shift , with only her room mate there (as far as she knew when she started stripping) - both IMO good reasons for their undress. Whereas Carol getting her kit off in the middle of a discussion with Kirk seems forced.

    I' ve read a number of attempted explanations, btw but none I find especially convincing.

    I still don't think it is sexist but I do find it exploitative and poorly written.
  12. Photoman15

    Photoman15 Commodore Commodore

    Mar 31, 2001
    The sunny shores of Trenzalore
    Come on. The scene was IRONIC because we, the viewers know that soon Kirk will be knocking her up (maybe) and now, she doesn't even want him to see her in bra and panties.
  13. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Commodore Commodore

    Mar 28, 2013
    Bulawayo Military Krral
    He did say that he loved the movie; he just didn't like seeing Alice Eve in her bra and panties.:vulcan:

    And, he's hard on himself in the Memories of the Future book and podcast.
  14. Hober Mallow

    Hober Mallow Commodore Commodore

    Yep, that's exactly it, but it's not just the Georege Lucas school of thinking, it's how all action movies are made nowadays. The setpieces come first (cool visuals and action scenes, plotted like mini-movies), then a story is built around that. It's annoying as hell, but it's not just Abrams and Star Trek guilty of it, it's all of Hollywood.
  15. xvicente

    xvicente Captain Captain

    Jan 16, 2013
    Not really. In Star Wars, 100% of the female characters wore a golden bikini.
  16. Tribble puncher

    Tribble puncher Captain Captain

    Jan 17, 2012
    The Future
    :techman: Also, The Original 1701 flew through the cytoplasm (or is it protoplasm) of a giant space aomeba....
  17. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

    Aug 22, 2002
    Terra Inlandia
    Readings coming in now, Captain.
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    Width -- varying from 2,000 to 3,000 miles.
    Outer layer studded with space debris and
    waste. Interior consists of ... protoplasm,
    varying from a firmer gelatinous layer to a
    semifluid central mass. Condition ... living.​
  18. Set Harth

    Set Harth Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mar 10, 2010
    Which looked surprisingly good on Mon Mothma.

    Aunt Beru, not so much.
  19. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Commodore Commodore

    Mar 28, 2013
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    If she's in the next movie.
  20. Noname Given

    Noname Given Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 22, 2001
    None Given
    With all due respect to the OP - he did leave out one BIG comment by Mr. Wheaton:

    I think that speaks volumes over any nit-pick comments he may have made in analyzing aspects of the film (which I and many fans do, while still believing the film in question is a good one.):)