Were we what was wrong with the movie?

[Steven Of Nine]

Yup - Star Trek has turned into Star Wars. Did you expect differently? You and I read books, fanzines as kids... the current generation plays video games that look better than the best SF TV SPX from the eighties. You're lucky if you can get them to read a book, period.

Sorry, that's just an insulting, bullshit, condescending opinion that shows you have no respect for contrary opinion.

I have a daughter who asked to go to Summer School, asks to go to the library, asks to go to Barnes and Noble, and who absolutely enjoyed the new film.

I graduated from University 20 years ago, and grew up watching TOS. My fellow alumni and I who sat in front of a 13" B&W tv to watch reruns on the 80s all thoroughly enjoyed the film. And we're all college graduates who can read.

Perhaps many of us have forgotten how much of TOS was pure s*** even in its day. The threads are full of "what's the worst episode." A catch-all insult to the youth of today is as meaningless as the bullshit our parents said about us for watching Star Trek in the first place.

 

[perigee]

Sorry, that's just an insulting, bullshit, condescending opinion that shows you have no respect for contrary opinion.

I have a daughter who asked to go to Summer School, asks to go to the library, asks to go to Barnes and Noble, and who absolutely enjoyed the new film.

I graduated from University 20 years ago, and grew up watching TOS. My fellow alumni and I who sat in front of a 13" B&W tv to watch reruns on the 80s all thoroughly enjoyed the film. And we're all college graduates who can read.

...And you graduating from 20 years ago - that makes you what - 32-ish? - relates to what I see from my 10-year old Halo/X-Box maniac and his 10-year old friends exactly how? Or did you graduate twenty years before you were born, making you his equal? You are not 'the current generation.' You are Old. Past it. Grup.

...you may be equal, perhaps, in reading comprehension.

Who said anywhere - again, reading comprehension - that anybody in my camp did not enjoy the film? My kid enjoyed it because he wasn't bored by technobabble and high-concept. That's his kidly bag.

Lighten up, Francis.

EDIT - Looking back, you've been on your own little rant there, hain'tcha? Maybe you oughtta look at a Whole post before twisting your panties in a knot - like this bit, from the same post you weep about:

"And, for what it was, I love it - it is an updating for the new kids, and as a kid at heart, I attached to it, at that level, rather than the shreds of canon the old Trekkie in me wished I could have. This is not my Trek, indeed - but it is my son's, and I like his Trek Too."

Try not to wail like somebody stole your bottle until you know its gone. Junior. And look into some reading refresher courses.

 

[Mallory]

Sorry, that's just an insulting, bullshit, condescending opinion that shows you have no respect for contrary opinion.

I have a daughter who asked to go to Summer School, asks to go to the library, asks to go to Barnes and Noble, and who absolutely enjoyed the new film.

I graduated from University 20 years ago, and grew up watching TOS. My fellow alumni and I who sat in front of a 13" B&W tv to watch reruns on the 80s all thoroughly enjoyed the film. And we're all college graduates who can read.

...And you graduating from 20 years ago - that makes you what - 32-ish? - relates to what I see from my 10-year old Halo/X-Box maniac and his 10-year old friends exactly how? Or did you graduate twenty years before you were born, making you his equal? You are not 'the current generation.' You are Old. Past it. Grup.

...you may be equal, perhaps, in reading comprehension.

Who said anywhere - again, reading comprehension - that anybody in my camp did not enjoy the film? My kid enjoyed it because he wasn't bored by technobabble and high-concept. That's his kidly bag.

Lighten up, Francis.

EDIT - Looking back, you've been on your own little rant there, hain'tcha? Maybe you oughtta look at a Whole post before twisting your panties in a knot - like this bit, from the same post you weep about:

"And, for what it was, I love it - it is an updating for the new kids, and as a kid at heart, I attached to it, at that level, rather than the shreds of canon the old Trekkie in me wished I could have. This is not my Trek, indeed - but it is my son's, and I like his Trek Too."

Try not to wail like somebody stole your bottle until you know its gone. Junior. And look into some reading refresher courses.

Gee, is that trolling or flaming? I'll go with trolling. Infraction for same. Comments or questions via PM.

 

[perigee]

PM sent, and waiting.

 

[HarperSmythe]

"Yup - Star Trek has turned into Star Wars. Did you expect differently?"

Actually, no. I thought it inevitable. What I did not expect was to see older Trek fans treating it seriously as Star Trek. As with Star Wars (the first trilogy), the film is fun and entertaining. Now there are plenty of plotholes and other weaknesses in Star Wars but I don't waste my time caring much about them because Star Wars is a space fantasy. I just go along for the ride. Star Wars isn't intended to be picked over for inconsistencies and plotholes.

The non-Trek general audience took the Abrams film in that spirit as well -- logical inconsistencies, plotholes, etc., don't matter. It's a grand space fantasy. And that's fine.

But then I see Trek fans instead taking Abrams' universe seriously as Star Trek. For example, the attempt to justify the idiotic sight of a Starfleet cadet throwing a fellow cadet off the ship to almost certain death is viewed as perfectly credible and logical in a professional military organization. What, starships have nothing called a brig in this universe? Kirk used it all the time with far more dangerous characters. Nope, it's ok -- we can throw out all that background stuff of a credible military professional organization exploring the universe. Now I thought that was an essential part of Star Trek.

If you just take the film in the spirit of a simple fun romp, a simple fantasy, then none of this matters. I just always thought that the essence of Star Trek is that it is NOT a space fantasy.

It was written and directed by guys who'd served in WWII and did not grow up watching TV, the way every filmmaker today has. I thought it telling how Abrams et al. were totally unaware of the battlefield origins to Kirk's nickname for McCoy. "Bones" comes from "sawbones," a popular nickname first used by the British military for medics and surgeons since at least the 18th century. It referred to medics "sawing of bones" on the battlefield.

I enjoy good escapist space fantasy but I never went to Star Trek for that. Fans can respond to the film however they please of course. What has surprised me is the very things that made Star Trek Star Trek--that made it distinct--don't matter anymore.

 

[trevanian]

Sorry, that's just an insulting, bullshit, condescending opinion that shows you have no respect for contrary opinion.

I have a daughter who asked to go to Summer School, asks to go to the library, asks to go to Barnes and Noble, and who absolutely enjoyed the new film.

I graduated from University 20 years ago, and grew up watching TOS. My fellow alumni and I who sat in front of a 13" B&W tv to watch reruns on the 80s all thoroughly enjoyed the film. And we're all college graduates who can read.

...And you graduating from 20 years ago - that makes you what - 32-ish? - relates to what I see from my 10-year old Halo/X-Box maniac and his 10-year old friends exactly how? Or did you graduate twenty years before you were born, making you his equal? You are not 'the current generation.' You are Old. Past it. Grup.

...you may be equal, perhaps, in reading comprehension.

Who said anywhere - again, reading comprehension - that anybody in my camp did not enjoy the film? My kid enjoyed it because he wasn't bored by technobabble and high-concept. That's his kidly bag.

Lighten up, Francis.

EDIT - Looking back, you've been on your own little rant there, hain'tcha? Maybe you oughtta look at a Whole post before twisting your panties in a knot - like this bit, from the same post you weep about:

"And, for what it was, I love it - it is an updating for the new kids, and as a kid at heart, I attached to it, at that level, rather than the shreds of canon the old Trekkie in me wished I could have. This is not my Trek, indeed - but it is my son's, and I like his Trek Too."

Try not to wail like somebody stole your bottle until you know its gone. Junior. And look into some reading refresher courses.

Gee, is that trolling or flaming? I'll go with trolling. Infraction for same. Comments or questions via PM.

No comment or question, just an outraged declaration of, 'you're calling HIM a troll?'

 

[Anticitizen]

...And you graduating from 20 years ago - that makes you what - 32-ish? - relates to what I see from my 10-year old Halo/X-Box maniac and his 10-year old friends exactly how? Or did you graduate twenty years before you were born, making you his equal? You are not 'the current generation.' You are Old. Past it. Grup.

...you may be equal, perhaps, in reading comprehension.

Who said anywhere - again, reading comprehension - that anybody in my camp did not enjoy the film? My kid enjoyed it because he wasn't bored by technobabble and high-concept. That's his kidly bag.

Lighten up, Francis.

EDIT - Looking back, you've been on your own little rant there, hain'tcha? Maybe you oughtta look at a Whole post before twisting your panties in a knot - like this bit, from the same post you weep about:

"And, for what it was, I love it - it is an updating for the new kids, and as a kid at heart, I attached to it, at that level, rather than the shreds of canon the old Trekkie in me wished I could have. This is not my Trek, indeed - but it is my son's, and I like his Trek Too."

Try not to wail like somebody stole your bottle until you know its gone. Junior. And look into some reading refresher courses.

Gee, is that trolling or flaming? I'll go with trolling. Infraction for same. Comments or questions via PM.

No comment or question, just an outraged declaration of, 'you're calling HIM a troll?'

Agreed... if anything, it looks like he simply made the mistake of feeding the troll...

 

[Forbin]

"
It was written and directed by guys who'd served in WWII and did not grow up watching TV, the way every filmmaker today has. I thought it telling how Abrams et al. were totally unaware of the battlefield origins to Kirk's nickname for McCoy. "Bones" comes from "sawbones," a popular nickname first used by the British military for medics and surgeons since at least the 18th century. It referred to medics "sawing of bones" on the battlefield.

...and was also part of the 18th century Royal Navy/Hornblower atmosphere that Roddenberry was shooting for.

 

[Cakes488]

Yup - Star Trek has turned into Star Wars. Did you expect differently? You and I read books, fanzines as kids... the current generation plays video games that look better than the best SF TV SPX from the eighties. You're lucky if you can get them to read a book, period.

Sorry, that's just an insulting, bullshit, condescending opinion that shows you have no respect for contrary opinion.

I have a daughter who asked to go to Summer School, asks to go to the library, asks to go to Barnes and Noble, and who absolutely enjoyed the new film.

I graduated from University 20 years ago, and grew up watching TOS. My fellow alumni and I who sat in front of a 13" B&W tv to watch reruns on the 80s all thoroughly enjoyed the film. And we're all college graduates who can read.

Perhaps many of us have forgotten how much of TOS was pure s*** even in its day. The threads are full of "what's the worst episode." A catch-all insult to the youth of today is as meaningless as the bullshit our parents said about us for watching Star Trek in the first place.

Hold on there now...I know you're angry....but I've never been enlighted in the first place of how much of TOS was pure shit.... Let's get our facts straight here...the love boat was pure shit...TOS was not.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

What I did not expect was to see older Trek fans treating it seriously as Star Trek.

Well, yeah. The majority of fans. The vast majority of fans, actually, of all ages including those of us who watched the show on NBC as kids.

So,maybe your notion of what Star Trek is and has been is a bit limited, if your expectations exclude the responses of most people who enjoy it.

 

[Kirk's_Tights]

Why are people still talking about what was "wrong" with this movie? It's not going to be 100% accurate because it's through someone else's eyes. You can't please every single person so of course there will be picky, bored people who will find any little things wrong with it when there wasn't anything wrong to begin with.

It was a great movie and kept me entertained from beginning to end. I don't care that it had inaccurate moments, I just wanted a great movie and that is what I got.

I wish people could just enjoy a movie for what it is and not try to find what is wrong with it.

 

[Warped9]

Why are people still talking about what was "wrong" with this movie?

Because for many of us there was very little to nothing "right" with it.

 

[Ronald Held]

I agree with Warped9.
Is this a matter of generational perspective, where the fans who grew up with TOS do not like it as much(or at all) versus the younger ones growing up now with ST:Enterprise?

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I agree with Warped9.
Is this a matter of generational perspective, where the fans who grew up with TOS do not like it as much(or at all) versus the younger ones growing up now with ST:Enterprise?

No I've read posts from people who grew up watching TOS who liked this film.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I agree with Warped9.
Is this a matter of generational perspective, where the fans who grew up with TOS do not like it as much(or at all) versus the younger ones growing up now with ST:Enterprise?

No I've read posts from people who grew up watching TOS who liked this film.

Yeah - if anything, those of us who grew up with Kirk and Spock as the central characters in Star Trek are and have been more enthusiastic from the beginning than a lot of younger fans.

There's a pretty small minority of active posters and participants in Internet polls who don't like the movie but they really seem to be distributed across age groups pretty evenly. It's probably impossible to say whether the movie is rejected by 8% of those fans over forty and only 6% of those under thirty, or the other way around.

 

[Hambone]

I agree with Warped9.
Is this a matter of generational perspective, where the fans who grew up with TOS do not like it as much(or at all) versus the younger ones growing up now with ST:Enterprise?

I grew up with TOS (watched most of the episodes first-run) and I liked the movie very much. Why? Because it was a "Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise" movie. That's also why I believe it did so well with the non-Trek audience; to the "Man on the Street", Star Trek is all about Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise; not Baldy, the Robot or what's-her-name in the catsuit.

I liked the new movie much more than any Star Trek that's been on since TOS. Many fans believe the new movie is a "poseur". Well, in my opinion (which I respect!), the new movie is "the real deal" while TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT were the "poseurs"; trying to be something they were not.

 

[number6]

I agree with Warped9.
Is this a matter of generational perspective, where the fans who grew up with TOS do not like it as much(or at all) versus the younger ones growing up now with ST:Enterprise?

No I've read posts from people who grew up watching TOS who liked this film.

Same here. I liked the other series as well.

 

[perigee]

Still alive - just with XXXXXXXX

I maintain, we're in SUCH a different time now... I've been wallowing in mid-sixties stuff lately - must be one of those mid-life thingies - and we've definitely hit the Grand Canyon of cultural divides.

I never got "Spongebob Squarepants," "The Last Airbender," "I Carly," and all of the other junk my kid was wont to watch as he came up; it was pretty much indecyperable. He can kick my hairy old arse on Halo - or anything else we pop into the console other than "Civilization." I find it wonderous strange that commercials now wish ladies "a happy period," or mime putting on a condom. A strange new world, indeed. It doesn't bother me - it just points out how far we've moved along out of my Kennedy-childhood comfort zone.

Trek was bound to change, in order to live. And the change was bound to be towards today's cultural mores. Evolution or extinction. The next movie, I suppose, will tell all - when they remove the TOS training wheels and let the new crew run the whole show. It just felt to me like...

...well, remember when you Actually Had training wheels, and you didn't need 'em anymore, and the stupid things just held you back from actually riding the heck out of your bike? You weren't as cool as you could be, you weren't as smooth as you could be, you weren't as fast as you could be... but you were saaafe. whee.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

I sat in the theatre going "Muuuwoah! Muuuuuuuuuuuuuwoooooooah!" everytime a woman was on screen so I can say that I, personally, was what was wrong with the movie the three times I saw it.

Jesus, what the fuck is WRONG with me--oop, pretty girl!

Muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaah!

 

[BillJ]

Liked about ninety percent of what I saw in the new film.

There were only four things that really stuck out to me as 'wrong':

Scotty - Not sure if it was the actor or writing but the character just didn't work for me.

Gaila - Just a SoCal bimbo painted green and acted the same. The worst portrayal of an Orion.

Kobyashi Maru - These scenes didn't work for me. Just seemed way to obvious.

Kirk's Promotion - We've been thruogh this one enough times that I won't say anything else.