Yeah sure why not. He already did Reed Alert and hinted at Prime Directive and they were going to get a TOS style hull.
Were there other Enterprises between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701?
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And Archer was put on trial in a Klingon courtroom before Kirk. And escaped Rura Penthe first.
And as Archer is Kirk’s childhood hero, it means that Kirk is living out a fantasy with a more primitive looking ship than what we are currently seeing in SNW.
Nah, it’s just the thing now. Everything we thought Kirk’s crew did first was actually done by other people like Archer, Pike and Michael Burnham before him.
Well, since it was never stated Kirk was first the assumption would be in error.
Just like Spock as the "first Vulcan in Starfleet" is not supported by evidence.
Just like Spock as the "first Vulcan in Starfleet" is not supported by evidence.
Archer and his crew being written to have accomplished a lot of Kirk’s achievements first isn’t new.
Neither is Pike having a 5-year mission before Kirk
The refit itself was planned for S5.
And the whole backstory to the refit, according to Drexler, is that they’ve collected enough data and been studying how to make an engine of their own.
Based on what we see in ENT, the refit is not an unreasonable advancement. And can largely be credited to the second Enterprise in the Delphic Expanse, since that ship still an Earth ship and the original NX-01 are using data from it and will hand it off to Starfleet. And that ship can account for the massive leap forwards in technology.
So, in-universe, blame the Spherebuilders and the Temporal Wars for their sudden advancement. Since there is no Xindi attack and subsequent mission without them.
But none of that happened. All we know is that during TATV in 2161, the ship was in its original configuration, and in 2401 it had a secondary hull, which could have been added at any time in the 240 years between those two dates. As I mentioned before, for all we know Earth sold the ship to a civilian cruise line, who added the secondary hull themselves. Since we see no other NX class ships with secondary hulls, I propose that Royal Galactic added that hull for more passenger room, complete with zero-G swimming pool and sauna.
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So I time slide the founding of the Coalition of Planets and the Trip’s death/”death” a year ahead from novelverse continuity. Not a big deal. Maybe during his speech at the founding of the Coalition of Planets, Archer mentioned the words “…we are a united federation of planets…” and is considered to have coined the term.
How do you know that Starfleet did not plan to decommission Enterprise it in 2156, then allowed it back into service because of the Romulan War, and then in 2161 they went, “Hey Jon, we’re decommissioning Enterprise, for real this time.”?
How do you know that T’Pol, Phlox, Reed and Mayweather weren’t serving on a Daedalus-class Enterprise in 2161, that had the exact same bridge layout and ship interior of an NX-class ship, that was rechristened the USS Essex the following year to honor a different USS Essex lost during the war? How do you know Archer and Hoshi weren’t stopping by to visit that ship that year? We only know what Archer and Hoshi’s service records were. We don’t know the official service records of the rest of the crew.
Yes, Mayweather and Hoshi have ensign ranks, according to the holoprogram. But maybe they were brevet ensigns like Christine Chapel and a promotion was never intended to be in the cards for either of them. Though that changed for Hoshi at least.
At the end of the day, a holoprogram is only an approximation of the real thing. Its not necessarily going to be 100% accurate. And that might even be by design, so that no one gets lost in those programs and become detached to reality.
How do you know that Starfleet did not plan to decommission Enterprise it in 2156, then allowed it back into service because of the Romulan War, and then in 2161 they went, “Hey Jon, we’re decommissioning Enterprise, for real this time.”?
How do you know that T’Pol, Phlox, Reed and Mayweather weren’t serving on a Daedalus-class Enterprise in 2161, that had the exact same bridge layout and ship interior of an NX-class ship, that was rechristened the USS Essex the following year to honor a different USS Essex lost during the war? How do you know Archer and Hoshi weren’t stopping by to visit that ship that year? We only know what Archer and Hoshi’s service records were. We don’t know the official service records of the rest of the crew.
Yes, Mayweather and Hoshi have ensign ranks, according to the holoprogram. But maybe they were brevet ensigns like Christine Chapel and a promotion was never intended to be in the cards for either of them. Though that changed for Hoshi at least.
At the end of the day, a holoprogram is only an approximation of the real thing. Its not necessarily going to be 100% accurate. And that might even be by design, so that no one gets lost in those programs and become detached to reality.
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From what I understand, the refit wasn't "planned" in the sense of it being something the writers were definitely gonna have happen. It was an idea Drexler developed and would have pitched to the writers, but nothing was ever formally planned. I'm not sure if he even got to make the pitch to the writers.
I don’t know any of that. And you don’t either. So you are free to speculate all that, and I am free to speculate that the NX-01 became a cruise ship. Either scenario is unprovable, so it doesn’t really matter.
You are allowed to believe what you want. But I don’t see why anyone would settle for an NX refit as a cruise ship with the SNW-era Connies and the Galaxy class both exist and are far roomier than an NX ship.
I’m pretty sure that luxury is still a thing in the 25th century.
omg, this made me laugh! I can hear Scott Bakula crooning the theme song. "Aliens, exciting and new... come aboard, we'll make friends with yoooooouuu..." And on all the travel posters - "Like Risa, but in outer space!"
I keep imagining it as a museum but like the one from the Stargate episode "2010," especially with the same tour guide but instead of her dissing the SG-1 team, she's dissing the NX-01 crew.
I don't think starfleet sells its newer and largest ships to private companies. An old NX class ship might have been all that was available. A massive ship can be more easily repurposed by starfleet itself than a dinky little NX.
That's why they welded a new modul onto the ship, for bigger cabins and larger entertainment spaces.
You misunderstand. Without sufficient info, my speculation is no more or less valid than yours. My example was purposely meant to be extreme, but it’s not like you can prove that it’s wrong.
Its either that, or they are towed to scrapyards. To be scavenged later on.
And therein lies the issue.
You view it as a competition. And I do not.
Sorry if you felt invalid, but I just sought to create what i thought was a sane explanation to the events depicted in both ENT and PIC.
So for me, the episode takes place in early 2156 - with its actual history obfuscated by Starfleet Intelligence and holodeck programmers - and the refit happens not long after. You think the refit happens in 2401 and it was turned into a cruise ship…fine. It contradicts the fact that there were model kits of the NX-refit in the early 2310s, almost a whole century before it’s seen at the Fleet Museum. But whatever. I don’t really care if that’s what you believe. Which you should be fine with, as you don’t care what I believe.
Besides, you can’t prove that for the next century (from 2161 through 2270) the NX-01 wasn't a cruise ship, with Archer making guest appearances singing songs to the passengers.
Enterprise was built to last.
No feelings of competition here. All I was ever doing was pointing out that a new secondary hull does not a retcon to TATV make.
Ok, so what does canon tell us about the NX-01's later years.
-Dedication Plaques and the Holodeck of the Enterprise-D tell us that The NX-01 was never in Federation service. So she had to be retired by 2161.
-Strange New Worlds firmly established that there were no Starships named Enterprise between the NX-01 and the 1701.
-These are the Voyages* taking place in 2161, the episode shows us the standard configuration of the NX-01 on various monitors, while also showing the standard configuration during the closing montage, which could be taken out of the context of the episode. The episode also tells us the Enterprise is to be decommissioned.
-Picard season 2 showed a young Picard playing with a small (Eaglemoss) model of a refit NX Class Starship.
-Picard season 3 showed us a refit NX Class Starship, that according to multiple production sources, with accompanying artwork, was intended to be the NX-01.**
- Strange New Worlds somewhat implied that other NX Class Starship were mothballed, other than the NX-01.
*It should be noted that the entity of the 2161 segments of this episode are a Holodeck recreation.
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To my knowledge, this is ALL we know canonically about the NX-01's later years.
-Dedication Plaques and the Holodeck of the Enterprise-D tell us that The NX-01 was never in Federation service. So she had to be retired by 2161.
-Strange New Worlds firmly established that there were no Starships named Enterprise between the NX-01 and the 1701.
-These are the Voyages* taking place in 2161, the episode shows us the standard configuration of the NX-01 on various monitors, while also showing the standard configuration during the closing montage, which could be taken out of the context of the episode. The episode also tells us the Enterprise is to be decommissioned.
-Picard season 2 showed a young Picard playing with a small (Eaglemoss) model of a refit NX Class Starship.
-Picard season 3 showed us a refit NX Class Starship, that according to multiple production sources, with accompanying artwork, was intended to be the NX-01.**
- Strange New Worlds somewhat implied that other NX Class Starship were mothballed, other than the NX-01.
*It should be noted that the entity of the 2161 segments of this episode are a Holodeck recreation.
**
To my knowledge, this is ALL we know canonically about the NX-01's later years.
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I always wondered if maybe the Refit also gave the NX-01 the ability to add more crew to the roster (although T'Pol says in TATV that there are still only 83 crew members serving aboard her.)Ok, so what does canon tell us about the NX-01's later years.
-Dedication Plaques and the Holodeck of the Enterprise-D tell us that The NX-01 was never in Federation service. So she had to be retired by 2161.
-Strange New Worlds firmly established that there were no Starships named Enterprise between the NX-01 and the 1701.
-These are the Voyages* taking place in 2161, the episode shows us the standard configuration of the NX-01 on various monitors, while also showing the standard configuration during the closing montage, which could be taken out of the context of the episode. The episode also tells us the Enterprise is to be decommissioned.
-Picard season 2 showed a young Picard playing with a small (Eaglemoss) model of a refit NX Class Starship.
-Picard season 3 showed us a refit NX Class Starship, that according to multiple production sources, with accompanying artwork, was intended to be the NX-01.**
- Strange New Worlds somewhat implied that other NX Class Starship were mothballed, other than the NX-01.
*It should be noted that the entity of the 2161 segments of this episode are a Holodeck recreation.
**
To my knowledge, this is ALL we know canonically about the NX-01's later years.
I always wondered what caused the NX-01 to be decommissioned only a decade of service. She could've been retrofitted (ala Connie I to Connie II style) and still served for several more years.
Probably more a historic marker as much as wear and tear.
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