Weird or "no shit" moments in Star Trek

[Discofan]

There are several cases of that but in "The Sword Of Kahless" for example, all you have to do to get through the force field is emit Hur'q life signs which is weird to say the least. It would be like one of us protecting our house by saying that any human can enter. Doesn't seem very limiting, does it?

Does it mean that there were no rogue elements among the Hur'qs? No criminals? Anyone could be trusted with everything?

 

[Jayson1]

I always had this weird "fourth wall" feeling with the following lines from All Good Things:



To me it often felt like the writers grabbed a last opportunity to include some criticism on their own characters they created over the last 7 years ...

I also felt like that in regards to Q's little talk to Picard at the end. This is the first time I have ever heard anyone except me sort of bring that possibility up. I kind of think that Picard and Crusher getting a divorce was some kind of comment on how there will they/won't they, romance storyline really ended up not going anywhere.

Jason

 

[Farscape One]

This is more funny than weird...

Odo stirring the pot in the teaser of "EQUILIBRIUM".

 

[Kerock]

Dr. Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me, you're from outer space. Kirk: No, I'm from Iowa. I only work in outer space

 

[STR]

In 1204 the 4th Crusade conquered Constantinople and set up the Empire of Romania (Roman land) which is usually called the Latin Empire of Constantinople, and the crusaders grabbed as much land as they could for various fiefs, while various Roman lords seized control of various provinces and some of them proclaimed themselves emperors of the Romans.

So in about 1229 there were:
1) Empire with capital at Trebizond,
2) Empire with capital at Nicaea,
3) Empire with capital at Thessalonika,
4) Latin Empire,
5) Holy Roman Empire,
6) Bulgaria, whose monarch used the title of "Emperor of the Bulgarians and the Romans",
7) the Turkish Sultanate of Rum (Rome).
8) Wales, where the rulers of Gwynedd may have claimed to be Roman Emperors as successors of Constantine III.
Most people will not consider all of them to be Roman Empires.

From 1355 to 1371 there were:
1) Empire with capital at Trebizond,
2) "Restored Byzantine Empire", the former Empire with capital at Nicaea,
3) Serbia, whose ruler used the title of "Emperor of the Serbians and the Romans".
4) Thessaly, whose ruler used the title of "Emperor of the Serbians and the Romans".
5) Bulgaria-Tarnovo, whose ruler used the title of "Emperor of the Bulgarians and the Romans".
6) Bulgaria-Vidin, whose ruler used the title of "Emperor of the Bulgarians and the Romans".
7) Latin Empire.
8) Holy Roman Empire.
Most people will not consider all of them to be Roman Empires.

Even the king of Bulgaria didn't think he was a successor to Caesar. As for "how many Roman Empires were there after the 4th Crusade" the answer is "none". Same answer for after Mehmet blew down the Theodosian walls. Rum was not Rome.

*clutch my pearls* As a German, I simply must point out that the First Reich was as Roman as...
Oh wait, you’re totally right. The holy and Roman parts were just branding for political gains. Damn people pointing out the truth and ruining glorious historical revisionism.

Pope couldn't let those Romans have their Caesaropapism. Better to create your own Rome with the clergy truly in charge....at least until the Frank's decided to nudge that door back open in the West.

Has there ever been an episode of Trek where secular and religious leaders vied for supremacy like that? I guess DS9 danced around that a few times and couple of other eps did something similar but more hamfisted. However, I'm drawing a blank.

Seems like it could be an interesting episode. It really boils down to a fight between the guy with the money, army and law on his side facing down the guy with popular and traditional support. I think the tendency is give one side or the other the moral high ground, when that was rarely the case in real life.

 

[Discofan]

In "Sons Of Mogh" there is a really weird/Stupid moment. When Worf says that he was looking the Klingon on the ship in the eyes and never saw that he was planning to kill him... I mean why would the Klingon be planning a sneak attack on Worf, if Worf was expected to read it in his eyes??? It would be like lying in a world where everyone could read your mind... pointless!! The writer must have been drunk otherwise he would have realized the absurdity of Worf's remark!!!

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Does it count to mention that random Klingon or Vulcan phrases make no sense in any era after Archer's? The UT translates both languages just fine except when it doesn't? How does that make sense? The UT should catch any other language variation, dialect etc., too.

 

[Jayson1]

In "Sons Of Mogh" there is a really weird/Stupid moment. When Worf says that he was looking the Klingon on the ship in the eyes and never saw that he was planning to kill him... I mean why would the Klingon be planning a sneak attack on Worf, if Worf was expected to read it in his eyes??? It would be like lying in a world where everyone could read your mind... pointless!! The writer must have been drunk otherwise he would have realized the absurdity of Worf's remark!!!

Sometimes I think Worf is just someone who has drunk the Klingon cool-aid when it comes to Klingon myths. He follows honor more strickly than most Klingons. I'm sure their is some Klingon wise tale about being able to read a Klingons ability to attack through his or her eyes but it's actually just some bullshit they came up with. Maybe some truth in the way people do have the ability to tell things about people through body movement and stuff like that but is also exagerated by the culture to a point where he thinks ALL Klingons are suppose to have that ability.

Jason

 

[drt]

I must be in the mood for a Voyager rewatch, because lately all I can think about is moments from season one. One moment stuck in my head is from Caretaker, when Paris and Kim meet Captain Janeway and she shows them to the bridge. Ensign Harold Kim walks onto the bridge, wide-eyed with wonder at his new posting. Then, I thought about it. Wait, didn't he have to pass through the bridge to get to the captain's ready room? Did he have his eyes closed so it could be a surprise when the captain gave the tour or was he just humoring her and acting surprised in an attempt to kiss the boss' ass and achieve rank faster?

Funny, I watched “Caretaker” a week or so ago and had the same thought.

If it was a brown-nosing attempt, it seems to have failed spectacularly.

 

[JoeZhang]

That weird moment where Kirk wants a back rub off Spock on the Bridge.

 

[Qonundrum]

"Court Martial", regarding how log tapes can be altered - Adobe After Effects has improved a lot by 2266, too!

 

[The Wormhole]

There are several cases of that but in "The Sword Of Kahless" for example, all you have to do to get through the force field is emit Hur'q life signs which is weird to say the least. It would be like one of us protecting our house by saying that any human can enter. Doesn't seem very limiting, does it?

Does it mean that there were no rogue elements among the Hur'qs? No criminals? Anyone could be trusted with everything?

The Hur'q are just that bigoted towards aliens.

 

[Discofan]

Rules Of Engagement:

1) Worf is a member of Starfleet and of the Federation, the fact that he's of Klingon origin is irrelevant to his guilt or to how he should be sanctioned. It's racism to think that he should be treated differently from... say, Miles O'Brien if he was the one that fired on that ship! I don't know what they were thinking when they wrote that episode but the implications are just terrible.

2) When Sisko said that the ship was sending false sensor images, it didn't shock the Admiral. She didn't ask for any precision as if it was something normal. Therefore you have to ask yourself: "Why in hell would they judge Worf on the sole evidence of these sensor images if they are so easy to fake?" If that's all they have then they don't have probable cause! That is they can't even begin a trial!!!!

So in conclusion:

1) The federation is racist.

2) The high command people are idiots.

 

[Discofan]

The Hur'q are just that bigoted towards aliens.

That's not my point. To enter the secret chamber you only needed to emit Hur'Q life-signs, so that means that ANY Hur'Q could enter that chamber even a thief!!! unless you think that the Hur'Q society was so perfect that there were no criminals among them!! Second, that's not even a foolproof defense as you could enter with a Hur'Q hostage for example (his life-signs would neutralize the forcefield) or like Jadzia did by emitting a simulation of these life signs.

 

[The Wormhole]

That's not my point.

But it is mine. The Hur'q are so racist they only place safeguards into their security against aliens, sending the message "Hur'qs only." They probably couldn't care less if the stuff got stolen or not, as long as they make it clear aliens aren't welcome.

It's similar to building a wall along the US-Mexico border

 

[Discofan]

But it is mine. The Hur'q are so racist they only place safeguards into their security against aliens, sending the message "Hur'qs only." They probably couldn't care less if the stuff got stolen or not, as long as they make it clear aliens aren't welcome.

It's similar to building a wall along the US-Mexico border

It's not my place to say it but I do think that building that wall is a terrible idea.

That puts me in mind of something said by another American President:

"Mr. Gorbatchev, tear down this wall!"

Maybe we could paraphrase it with:

"Mr. <we know who>, don't build that wall!"

 

[The Wormhole]

It is. Yet the US President is adamant about building it. Is it really so hard to believe the Hur'Q could have had a leader with a similar mentality who actually succeeded in implementing these ideas?

 

[STR]

It's similar to building a wall along the US-Mexico border

I'm going to tread *very* carefully on this one, so nobody take this as me trying to say anything other than the words I literally say. Having said that:

I don't think the people that want that wall are people who will trust just any American with the keys to their house either. I think suggesting otherwise conflates the massive distinction between home and country. The are often interchangeable in metaphors, but in practice are very different. Household finances don't inform you about economics either. The difference in scale is too vast.

Now, nobody out there assume I'm trying to say anything else about that wall or anyone for/against it.

 

[The Wormhole]

All I'm saying is the wall serves no practical purpose. It's just a message to Mexicans that they aren't welcome in the US. Likewise, this security system which only blocks non-Hur'q serves no practical purpose. It's just a message to non-Hur'q that they aren't welcome in these particular locations.

 

[STR]

All I'm saying is the wall serves no practical purpose. It's just a message to Mexicans that they aren't welcome in the US. Likewise, this security system which only blocks non-Hur'q serves no practical purpose. It's just a message to non-Hur'q that they aren't welcome in these particular locations.

Yeah, I'm not touching the usefulness of the wall. This isn't the place for that. I'm saying a border fence is *not even close* to the same thing as a museum(?) security system. They're completely different things and I think you're forcing it by even making the comparison.