weighting of the JJverse

[Ronald Held]

This a question primarily for TOS fans. We knew of the Mirror Universe through one episode, but no one made as much fuss over it.
How much does/will the alternate universe count for you, compared to the Prime universe we are most use to, especially TOS and its associated movies?

 

[Hober Mallow]

I don't give it any thought at all. I just want a good story featuring Kirk and Spock.

 

[Vance]

Like really bad fan-fiction that has absolutely no bearing on anything else other than itself?

Back to the Trek XI board with ye!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It all counts as entertainment. It's reasonable to think that any new Star Trek that I haven't seen will be either part of or heavily influenced by the JJverse, so it has that "weight" - everything there is to see in the Prime Universe, we've seen, because it's essentially over.

OTOH, the new stuff has no impact on the older stuff at all - I don't see TOS episodes in any different light than I did before, nor did TNG or "Star Trek Remastered" add anything to that experience. What comes after 1969 is separate.

 

[Therin of Andor]

How much does/will the alternate universe count for you, compared to the Prime universe we are most use to, especially TOS and its associated movies?

It's a familiar universe, likable actors and familiar characters - where almost anything can happen. The next two movies are not hampered by concerns about how TOS did it before.

And nothing stops someone exploring the old universe again some day, in some future movie or TV show. In fact, the comics and novels are still exploring it.

 

[Rackon]

This a question primarily for TOS fans. We knew of the Mirror Universe through one episode, but no one made as much fuss over it.
How much does/will the alternate universe count for you, compared to the Prime universe we are most use to, especially TOS and its associated movies?

They both count. I enjoy each - Prime and NuTrek - and I don't find it hard to keep them separate in my head. I read a certain amount of Treklit, and God knows there's variations on variations within them too. It all happily coexists for me.

NuTrek doesn't negate TOS or the previous films. I can't imagine how anyone could feel that way, or think one counts more than the other. They co-exist. Everything is still there in TOS TVS and movies for us to relive whenever we want.

I'm very interested to see where the filmmakers will take the next movies - I honestly think the reboot was a brilliant idea, and as Therin said, anything can happen - the stakes have been raised. Possibilities have opened up. I think the characters and relationships have been well done. I love the cast and the new look, and the energy. We shall see.

Meanwhile, I confess I probably have more issues with other ST series and the TNG than I will ever have with NuTrek. But it's not that big a deal - Ihave no problem ignoring existing canon where it particularly annoys me e.g. Sybok. I like to pretend he never existed. If it works for D. C. Fontanna, it works for me. I just don't watch it. I don't watch the eps of TNG or Enterprise that I don't like. it's that simple. Folks...it's all fictinoal universe!!

Those of you who hate XI -ignore it. Just as I did with things I didn't like on TBG and Enterprise.

 

[Shazam!]

My main issue is that I know I'm basically watching a 'mirror' version of the characters. They could die and I really wouldn't be that bothered; it'd be just like someone getting knocked off in the mirror universe. We know that the 'prime' character is still kicking about so why should we care about these clowns?

That said, it's not like I don't enjoy seeing mirror or alternate versions of characters. I just can't really invest in them.

 

[Rackon]

My main issue is that I know I'm basically watching a 'mirror' version of the characters. They could die and I really wouldn't be that bothered; it'd be just like someone getting knocked off in the mirror universe. We know that the 'prime' character is still kicking about so why should we care about these clowns?

That said, it's not like I don't enjoy seeing mirror or alternate versions of characters. I just can't really invest in them.

It's interesting, because I care absolutely about what happens to these characters in the NuTrek universe - it's as emotionally real for me as TOS and movies. How could anyone watch the destruction of the Kelvin and George Kirk's sacrifice and not be moved? It may be an alternate time line, but it's the real world to those who live there - they really live, breathe, love, bleed and die there, as they do in all universes.

This is not a mirror universe at all - the characters are not their opposite numbers for one thing. (And I personally have never been a huge fan of the mirror eps or stories in Treklit, and I don't enjoy them.) The drama and emotional journey should be enough to make you care. If those aspects didn't work for you in XI, then they didn't. But it did for millions of us.

 

[Shatmandu]

This a question primarily for TOS fans. We knew of the Mirror Universe through one episode, but no one made as much fuss over it.
How much does/will the alternate universe count for you, compared to the Prime universe we are most use to, especially TOS and its associated movies?

It's all Trek.

Joe, all trek

 

[Shazam!]

It's interesting, because I care absolutely about what happens to these characters in the NuTrek universe - it's as emotionally real for me as TOS and movies. How could anyone watch the destruction of the Kelvin and George Kirk's sacrifice and not be moved?

I was invested in the characters and the movie. I think what I meant was I couldn't invest outside of the movie ie. books, toys, models, comics etc

 

[Chrisisall]

I don't give it any thought at all. I just want a good story featuring Kirk and Spock.

My sentiments precisely.

 

[number6]

You can put me into the "It's All Trek" camp as well. The new film was a lot of fun, as much fun as TOS was for me back in the day.

I can't subscribe to all the negativity.

This "new universe" is just what Trek needed. I hope it is as successful as the Trek that came before.

 

[True Trek Fan]

I can't wait until this NuTrek series finishes with Spock (played by Leonard Nimoy) wakes up and realizes it was all just a terrible dream.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It's interesting, because I care absolutely about what happens to these characters in the NuTrek universe - it's as emotionally real for me as TOS and movies. How could anyone watch the destruction of the Kelvin and George Kirk's sacrifice and not be moved?

Exactly so.

At this point, I'm not really invested in the original Kirk and Spock and their world - not in the sense that I'm at all anxious to see what happens to them. After all, things stopped happening to them a while ago, and the things that were happening to them became pretty lame by the early-to-mid 90s anyway.

These new guys and their world are energetic and easy enough to attach to emotionally.

 

[Starbreaker]

It's a fake version of a fake universe... I think I'll survive.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

It's interesting, because I care absolutely about what happens to these characters in the NuTrek universe - it's as emotionally real for me as TOS and movies. How could anyone watch the destruction of the Kelvin and George Kirk's sacrifice and not be moved?

Exactly so.

At this point, I'm not really invested in the original Kirk and Spock and their world - not in the sense that I'm at all anxious to see what happens to them. After all, things stopped happening to them a while ago, and the things that were happening to them became pretty lame by the early-to-mid 90s anyway.

These new guys and their world are energetic and easy enough to attach to emotionally.

We are (gulp!) in total (erp!) agreement--

What the fuck is this world coming to?

 

[Warped9]

This a question primarily for TOS fans. We knew of the Mirror Universe through one episode, but no one made as much fuss over it.
How much does/will the alternate universe count for you, compared to the Prime universe we are most use to, especially TOS and its associated movies?

The Mirror universe was fun and interesting, but after the first revisit in DS9 they did it to death and I didn't care anymore.

After visiting the JJverse once I've absolutely no interest in ever revisiting it. This NuTrek carries no weight with me and counts for nothing as far as I'm concerned. It's just New Coke all over again.

 

[The Laughing Vulcan]

I can't wait until this NuTrek series finishes with Spock (played by Leonard Nimoy) wakes up and realizes it was all just a terrible dream.

and William Shatner (as Kirk) walks out of the shower. Everything between TUC and now will have been erased.

I can live with that.

I don't care about JJverse.

As for the Prime verse... don't care about that either.

In the real 'verse. Spock isn't an idiot and Romulus isn't destroyed by an FTL supernova that threatens the entire bloody galaxy.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

This a question primarily for TOS fans. We knew of the Mirror Universe through one episode, but no one made as much fuss over it.
How much does/will the alternate universe count for you, compared to the Prime universe we are most use to, especially TOS and its associated movies?

It counts to me exactly as much as, in the context of Star Trek, Anakin Skywalker and Naboo and all that matters.

That is to say, you can argue that it's good entertainment, or bad entertainment. But it's essentially unrelated to the "real" Trek world.

As far as I'm concerned, if they're going to run with the "JJ-verse," I hope that they abandon all pretense of it being related to Star Trek as it's always existed. Avoid confusion about whether Khan was that guy played by Montalban or some other, largely different character. Avoid confusion about how Kirk grew up, or what his solution to the Kobayashi Maru test really was (it's clear that what happened to nu-Kirk is probably not the same as what happened to Shat-Kirk... after all, even if you assume that both are similar, "nu-Kirk" got a serious reprimand while "Shat-Kirk" got a commendation).

These are different characters, on a different ship, in a different situation, in a different universe, and as likely as not, with a different mission.

Treat them as such and it'll all be fine... no need for "jihad" between "Classic Trek" and "New Trek" fans, any more than it's really necessary for BSG fans and B5 fans to have a duel to the death over whose starfighters make more sense.

The problem comes when people start trying to "merge" the two... pretend that something in "nuTrek" is what preceded, led to, or in any way relates to, something from ANY of the prior body of Star Trek work (except, arguably, "Enterprise").

Kirk wouldn't find the Botany Bay in this new reality, because the odds of him just HAPPENING to be in the same place at the same time, given all the other differences, is beyond astronomical. (Maybe, in this altered timeline, Clark Terrell finds the Botany bay, many years later on?)

You can toss out any "continuity" whatsoever which predates the "Nero pops back" incident. Whatever this is, it's not, and shouldn't be treated as, anything "of a piece" with any prior Star Trek. It's not. Everyone will be happier if they stop pretending that it "is, sort of."

I didn't think that this movie sucked, though I don't think it was fantastic, either. I just think it wasn't Star Trek, and wish it hadn't pretended to be.

 

[Ronald Held]

Interesting comments, keep them coming.
I believe that Nero emerged into another universe similar to but not the Prime one. That deweights what goes on there more.
If "they" were serious about making the JJverse unique, then why talk about Khan in the sequel. Make it unique with a new villains, plots,etc. Or, is that to economically risky???